PUA Forum :: When a conversation It's boring ?

I want you to experiment on something. Don't focus on the content of your conversation. But instead focus on the sub communication.

Focus on these 3 things:
1) Maintain Hardcore eye contact.
- Just focus on her eyes and that is it. Don't focus on what to say. The words will come after ^_^.
- It's okay to have the awkward silents. Let her feel uncomfortable and she will be force to say something. This is her gaming you now.
2) Be loud. Even if you are day gaming. Why be loud? Conveys that you are honest and you don't hide anything. You are comfortable with social pressure. It shows you are relax and un stifled.
3) Breaking Rapport Tonality or Commanding and Challenging tonality (CC for short).
- Imagine a Police officer, or your dad, or your boss talking to you when you did something wrong.
- The pitch of your sentence drops. The opposite would be your pitch rising. Imagine a homeless person asking you for change. The pitch rises and it sounds needy,
- When you use CC tonality you convey higher value. It will force an automatic response from the girl to qualify her self.
- You can even be in the interview mode while doing this. And the shit you say will be gold!
example: "What's your name? (CC tonality)"
"Where your from? (CC Tonality)"
"Hey (CC Tonality)! You're Cute (CC Tonality)."

Watch your game sky rocket!

Extra tip. If you don't like asking questions ... convert your questions into statements.
Example - "Where your from?" Transformed to, "You look like your from Toronto."
- "What's your nationality?" Transformed to, "You look Spanish."

If you get it right ... it will come out as a cold read. If you get it wrong. She will correct you. But the goal is to also come out as higher value!

It's not about the words you say. It's the sub communication you are conveying.

Author:	schemer [ Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:55 am ]
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Ok I want to tell you guys a problem I'm having. During the last week I've been practicing with success direct openers, I think every girl opened and talked to me just to find that I suck at conversation. I think I bored every girl I talked to. I was in a shop where I don't work and asked an HB8 if I could help her with something, when she told me I told her that I didn't worked there and that she was gorgeous and I wanted to talk to her. She was delighted. But as we talked I kew I was boring her. Conclusion she didn't want to give me her phone. I understand the avoid smalltalk advice, but the question is => HOW TO? When I managed to have a good conversation with one I could't escalate to a more spicy talk, I just didn't know how to bring the subject. Any advice will be apreciated. Anyway, at the moment I'am very happy just to have learned to approach girls. I know I have to learn a lot and that this is not a simple craft.

Author:	Wizzay [ Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:46 am ]
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How about posting an example of one of your conversations, that way we can see where its going wrong

Author:	MavenPhaseshift [ Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:00 pm ]
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This is common with direct game. What ends up happening is the fact that she is attracted and impressed with your swagger. She is attracted to you. Yet it is because your being dominante. As soon as you switch to small talk you are switching from alpha to every other guy. What you need to do is learn how to stay congruent with what you show first. You want better results push for more. don't go into interview mode. Go to full on seducer and see where it takes you. IF you go back you are incongruent and now she doesn't want to be with you any more.

Author:	schemer [ Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:22 pm ]
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Quote: don't go into interview mode. Go to full on seducer and see where it takes you. IF you go back you are incongruent and now she doesn't want to be with you any more. I was, in fact, going into interview mode. I will think about this and see what I can change. Thanks.

Author:	poeticlyskuac [ Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:02 pm ]
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Hey man, Having a conversation can be a bitch, it's honestly a lot harder than opening but sometimes opening can feel that much more difficult. I finally put together a basic how to have a conversation article for guys and just posted it on my blog(been needing to for a minute). These are all the tips if you want to check out the whole article just go here: http://scienceofnaturalgame.com/2013/02 ... versation/ 1. Find the Nouns: This one is the most basic but also the most useful in a conversation as long as you can make it natural. Look for the noun and ask for further emphasis. First things first if you don’t remember what a noun is – Person, place, or thing. It’s a very basic tactic but if you are interested in a conversation you tend to do this naturally. Example 1: She says “Oh my friend went over to the bar.” Example 1 Response 1: “Oh will you tell her to get me a (insert drink here)?”(playful obviously) Example 1 Response 2: “Which bar?”(obviously only works at a place with multiple bars) Example 1 Response 3: “Oh how many friends did you come with?” Example 2: “We came from (insert bar, location, etc. here), we just wanted to check out a new place.” Example 2 Response 1: “Oh really how was (insert location here)? Heard that place gets crazy on Friday nights.” Example 2 Response 2: “Who’s we? How many of your friends came with you?” Example 2 Response 3: “You’ve never been here? It’s pretty fun as long as you meet someone like me.” 2. Repeat her last words: If you want to know more about something, just more emphasis this is really basic don’t overdo it but use it here and there. Literally just repeat her last 4-5 words and she’ll explain it further. Your voice should sound a little inquisitive. Example 1: “We came from (insert location here).” Example 1 Response: “You came from (insert location here)?” Example 2: “We were out and about all night doing crazy shit.” Example 2 Response: “Doing crazy shit?” 3. Ask Genuine questions: Fuck the bullshit “where are you from?”, “where do you live”, “where do you work?” etc. Be genuine in asking questions. Literally want to know things about her, don’t focus on carrying a conversation, focus on asking questions you actually want the answer to. I’m not saying these questions don’t come about, I’m merely saying they will come naturally and should just happen not be an interview type of conversation. So the questions will get answered but they shouldn’t get asked in the first 2 minutes of conversation, as you find out more about them it should be ON TOPIC. Don’t ask “where do you work” when the conversation dries up, this will keep the conversation dry. 4. Point out her small idiosyncratic behaviors: This my specialty as a body language guy, if you can tell a woman how she is feeling or what her behavior shows you a conversation can be easy as pie. It’s literally noticing all the little things and pointing them out without doing it in an offensive way… This isn’t easy if you’re not use to being aware of people’s emotional state. 5. LISTEN TO HER: This is a huge mistake that most guys make in the pick up world, it’s not about waiting for your turn to talk. It’s about genuinely listening to her and responding according to her. 6. Be fucking Random: You don’t have to have a structure to your conversation. If the conversation does get dry and she realizes you are a goofy guy just say something fucking nutty. The goal is to make her smile so don’t get fancy! You can quote some crazy part of a movie, or you can say something just completely off topic and out of twack. 7. Point out Observations you can share: Literally look around the room and share an observation that is kind of goofy. If you guys can share and observation you can create and inside joke, this creates a connection and really jump starts courtship. What the fuck is that drunk idiot doing over there? Did you see that guy fall? Oh shit I don’t think he gets the hint she’s going to slap his ass. 8. Learn to give a GOOD Compliment: This is really its’ own article and I do have a how to compliment article here. Basically the keys to granting a good compliment that won’t get a drink thrown in your face are simple: Tell them why you like it and be sure to be genuine! Article Link: http://scienceofnaturalgame.com/2012/03 ... and-class/ 9. Speak your mind – what did she remind you of: Ok if you are some needy guy or something along that nature you may want to screen your thoughts a little, however one thing I noticed I do after reading the book I really appreciate Models by Mark Manson, is I tend to tell someone what something reminds me of. From the get go it helps build a connection because I expose myself to her. If a woman talks about her hair it should trigger a thought for you, expose that thought. __________________________ Just remember to have a conversation with good energy and body language, this has a lot to do with carrying a conversation. If you want more let me know. That should be enough to carry any conversation regardless though.... as unnatural as it may feel sometimes we use these things all naturally when having a conversation. Peace and Love, Vic

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Author:	ptown123 [ Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:39 pm ]
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thats pretty good stuff right there

Author:	Donston [ Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:45 pm ]
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I want you to experiment on something. Don't focus on the content of your conversation. But instead focus on the sub communication. Focus on these 3 things: 1) Maintain Hardcore eye contact. - Just focus on her eyes and that is it. Don't focus on what to say. The words will come after ^_^. - It's okay to have the awkward silents. Let her feel uncomfortable and she will be force to say something. This is her gaming you now. 2) Be loud. Even if you are day gaming. Why be loud? Conveys that you are honest and you don't hide anything. You are comfortable with social pressure. It shows you are relax and un stifled. 3) Breaking Rapport Tonality or Commanding and Challenging tonality (CC for short). - Imagine a Police officer, or your dad, or your boss talking to you when you did something wrong. - The pitch of your sentence drops. The opposite would be your pitch rising. Imagine a homeless person asking you for change. The pitch rises and it sounds needy, - When you use CC tonality you convey higher value. It will force an automatic response from the girl to qualify her self. - You can even be in the interview mode while doing this. And the shit you say will be gold! example: "What's your name? (CC tonality)" "Where your from? (CC Tonality)" "Hey (CC Tonality)! You're Cute (CC Tonality)." Watch your game sky rocket! Extra tip. If you don't like asking questions ... convert your questions into statements. Example - "Where your from?" Transformed to, "You look like your from Toronto." - "What's your nationality?" Transformed to, "You look Spanish." If you get it right ... it will come out as a cold read. If you get it wrong. She will correct you. But the goal is to also come out as higher value! It's not about the words you say. It's the sub communication you are conveying.

Author:	schemer [ Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:17 pm ]
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thank you poeticlyskuac and Donston, your advice was very helpful. poeticlyskuac I like your website, The Art of the Compliment article is really interesting.

Author:	poeticlyskuac [ Sun Feb 17, 2013 1:25 am ]
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Quote: I want you to experiment on something. Don't focus on the content of your conversation. But instead focus on the sub communication. Focus on these 3 things: 1) Maintain Hardcore eye contact. - Just focus on her eyes and that is it. Don't focus on what to say. The words will come after ^_^. - It's okay to have the awkward silents. Let her feel uncomfortable and she will be force to say something. This is her gaming you now. 2) Be loud. Even if you are day gaming. Why be loud? Conveys that you are honest and you don't hide anything. You are comfortable with social pressure. It shows you are relax and un stifled. 3) Breaking Rapport Tonality or Commanding and Challenging tonality (CC for short). - Imagine a Police officer, or your dad, or your boss talking to you when you did something wrong. - The pitch of your sentence drops. The opposite would be your pitch rising. Imagine a homeless person asking you for change. The pitch rises and it sounds needy, - When you use CC tonality you convey higher value. It will force an automatic response from the girl to qualify her self. - You can even be in the interview mode while doing this. And the shit you say will be gold! example: "What's your name? (CC tonality)" "Where your from? (CC Tonality)" "Hey (CC Tonality)! You're Cute (CC Tonality)." Watch your game sky rocket! Extra tip. If you don't like asking questions ... convert your questions into statements. Example - "Where your from?" Transformed to, "You look like your from Toronto." - "What's your nationality?" Transformed to, "You look Spanish." If you get it right ... it will come out as a cold read. If you get it wrong. She will correct you. But the goal is to also come out as higher value! It's not about the words you say. It's the sub communication you are conveying. Well done sir! I agree, I didn't focus on the body language aspect (mentioned it though) but it really does direct your abilities in conversation. Peace and love, Vic

Author:	Matthew_Shaw [ Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:56 am ]
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you can can say anything in your head just dont be shy

Author:	officialpoypoy [ Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:42 pm ]
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iv been out of the game for a while but im coming back doing this full time as a part of my art job drawing people. basicly its voice tonality and content. Choose themes you like. like FEAR LOVE PASSION FUTURE everyone can relate to it and share their mind DONT BE AFRAID OF GOING CRAZY AND CHILDISH. Girls love active imagination, everyone does. poy: YOU KNOW HOW GIRLS GIVE ME FLYING KISS? (gives her flying kiss) I WANT GIRLS TO GIVE ME FLYING VIGANAS. GIVE ME A FLYING VIGANA! do it for fun and reactions and be childish and loosen up! Imagination is such a huge fun part of conversations

Author:	7000 [ Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:47 am ]
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Yep, two or three very good posts in here already. The only thing I want to add at the moment is following on from the 'being random' idea. The main two benefits with this is that firstly you don't run out of things to talk about (I was chatting to a girl in a bar on Thursday night and we ended up talking about what sauce we like most on our hot dogs and then just basically all sorts of ridiculous questions, but she enjoyed it!) Secondly, it helps you make the conversation more sexual. If you're just asking 'normal' questions such as age, work etc. and then try to turn up the sexualisation, it can seem a bit weird. Whereas if you've already been talking about all sorts of random things, sex is then just another topic, it doesn't look like you've deliberately tried to bring it up (even if you have). It just looks like you're someone comfortable talking about all sorts of things and sex is just as normal to you as is talking about whether you prefer ketchup or mustard on your hot dogs

Author:	Jay (Majik) [ Sun Mar 03, 2013 3:42 am ]
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Try this next time you open a girl in a store.... Confuse her as an employee there. And ask her "Hey, where do you guys keep all the unicorns at?" and smile You will get her laughing if you say it right. Then once you get the emotions going, you can go into a DHV story and build up the attraction and kino (a little) Pull her number and keep the emotion going through a text right after you get her number.

Author:	Jokuga [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 2:47 pm ]
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You started off nice and strong. I don't know if I would have complimented her on physical features, but to each his own. From my experience, no girl wants to be peppered with questions. Make assumptions and follow with a question or statement. I've found this to be a great way to keep the conversation going. As a lame example, (Since I am always in my school's library) "Whoa, I hope you don't have to study all that. That book is enormous." In your situation you need to be like boom, boom. You're an Alpha male, you can't be wasting your time, delving into this deep conversations when you first meet. Exchange a couple laughs and be like, look it was great talking to you. What's your number; you seem like a fun person to have a drink with.

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