Good tips. Do the opposite of what AFCs and douches are doing, lol.

But what about once you've already picked up the girl and are dating her or talking/texting her? Especially when you haven't had sex yet. Like maybe get her flowers or chocolates, I know it's a cliche.

My theory is that while men look for an excuse to keep a woman around, which is generally just for sex, women are the opposite. They look for an excuse to get rid of the man. So once I have her attention, I'll just be super nice and sweet and complimentary. She'll literally have no excuse whatsoever to dismiss me and cut short the relationship. And even if she does, she'll have to admit the REAL reason she doesn't like me, instead of using some random thing I said as a cop out. I guess I've already convinced myself I need to do this, because my old ways haven't been working out too well.

See, I can't really decipher when to be nice and when to be cocky. Invariably whenever I do the cocky/sarcastic thing it's "the wrong time". I agree, you have to be leary of coming across as too needy and trying to buy her affection. Which is why you should use words mainly, and not dollar bills, to accomplish "niceness".

Also, buying a girl stuff, paying for drinks, etc., can be done before sex. I was on a date with a girl and she gave me such solid IOIs that I knew sex was almost guaranteed later that night. I paid for everything and sure enough, she put out. But I agree that you shouldn't buy her shit unless you know sex is eminent, or you are already boning.

Okay,

Heywood's rules of thumb. Take or leave them:

Frame setting: MIRROR, MIRROR, MIRROR

If she is UP, Smartassy, Happy, Pumped. I get bold/cocky, sexual, funny, hard aggressive kino! Solid voice tone.

If she is a little down, moody, tired. I get complementary, soft kino (cuddly-huggy), Sensual, low key humor, low deep voice tone.

Bitchy/Ragging: Artificial time constraint (BAIL)

Money$$:

I directly invite on a "date". I pay! Period. If she offers to split in this instance I usually decline! (The directive is obvious here).

I Invite to join me on a random adventure. Split bill, with advance warning. (Be prepared to pay entire, just in case).

She invites me. Let her pay, of course offer a split.

Gifts:

RARE. Reward for some extremely cool behavior or action!

Has had a bad week with work/kids/life, Send cool plant to home/office, simple card "I care"

Flowers: Very rare. A single rose at a random spontaneous moment!

Cards: ALWAYS humorous! Never needy sappy, YES even Valentines!

That is how (I) do things!

Heywood

Here are my rules, similar with a few twists?

James' rules of thumb. Take them or leave them:

Frame setting: MIRROR, MIRROR, MIRROR - Agree completely!

If she is UP, Smartassy, Happy, Pumped. I get bold/cocky, sexual, funny, hard aggressive kino! Solid voice tone. - Agree completely!

If she is a little down, moody, tired. I Leave and fast! Any BS excuse but I get the fuck out! If she is not up and excited to see me then what the fuck do i wanna be there for? It's an insult:)

Bitchy/Ragging: Artificial time constraint (BAIL) - I Leave and fast!

Money$$:

I directly invite on a "date". I pay! No debate.

If she offers to split in this instance I always refuse.

I invite to join me on a random adventure. I pay! No debate. If she offers to split in this instance I always refuse.

She invites me. I insist on a split.

Gifts:

RARE. Reward for some extremely cool behavior or action! - Agree completely.

Has had a bad week with work/kids/life - I avoid until she is 'back on track'.

Flowers: No fucking way.

Cards: No fucking way.

If we have a good day or evening then I normally send a text the next day with something like "I was pleased with you last night. We will do it again soon"

That is how (I) do things!

PS I also monitor their monthly cycles and avoid when they are having their period and also especially if they have PMT.

This needs to be noted in advance so they never realize and then if they want to meet I am "busy with my businesses" until they are back to normal:)

If she is a little down, moody, tired. I get complementary, soft kino (cuddly-huggy), Sensual, low key humor, low deep voice tone.

Flowers: Very rare. A single rose at a random spontaneous moment!

Cards: ALWAYS humorous! Never needy sappy, YES even Valentines!

It occured to me recently that women might respond better to the "nice guy" act. We spend so much time trying to be cocky and neg women and play games and shit tests, and I think that may be too much for a lot of women. What do you think about going the nice guy route and just being positive and friendly and not doing the cocky sarcastic stuff?

I've had a few interactions now and found out the women responded favorably to being told they are pretty, and they blew me off when I started to get cocky and neg them. Even just sarcastic/joking comments seemed to get taken the wrong way. I'm not saying to kiss her butt like an AFC, but just be extremely nice to her so that she'll call her girlfriend and tell her "So and so is REALLY nice to me..." Because otherwise she's going to say "Men are such asses..."

You have to be careful with not paying, especially if you have the money to spare. Because it could cost you. A lot of guys, whether it be naturals or even pua's, not to mention many AFC's, will pay for everything on dates. Many women actually expect this SPAM and it will make you look cheap and undesireable if you don't shell out some cash for the dates.

On my first date with my ex, we did three separate things. I paid for two of them then suggested that she pay for one, just to make it more fair. I was cool and diplomatic about it, almost framing it like I was trying to make her feel good about chipping in. She later told me that she nearly considered not calling me again after talking to her girlfriend about that on the phone. Good thing she didn't take her friend's advice because I got more blowjobs, handjobs, and sweaty fuck sessions out of that girl than I probably will ever get out of any other girl for the rest of my life.

The point I'm making is don't cost yourself pussy just because you are trying to be cheap or macho.