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Author:  thetransformation [ Wed May 16, 2012 4:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Not sure what I'm doing! Need some assistance!

I've met this HB8 at an event which was not a club or bar recently. She's shy and her Fridays and Saturdays are usually empty and she is frank about it and her fb doesn't get much activity, so I would expect that she would be a great catch and I would hopefully not have to jump through a ton of s*** tests and related complexities. As some background info, we are both in our early 30s and I'm actually looking for long term. I'm not much of a pua, so I thought I'd get some advice here.

Anyhow, my first date wasn't really a date, at least it was not setup as such, so I didn't kino her at all. We did some shopping and had dinner and chatted both our ears off and we ended with a hug at the end of the night. Good conversation, much in common and some definite chemistry.

The second date was me asking her to come over to my place for a movie+cooked dinner. She accepted easily. I don't know if it is because she is trustworthy of me, or a bit naive because a girl to coming alone to a guys house means many things to the guy, but maybe not so much for the the girl, haha. I really wasn't trying to f-close her anyways because I mean if I'm after her for long term, there will be enough of that down the road and I don't want to give her the wrong vibe. She gave me a few "i think I like you" stares.

During the second date, I messed around with some of the ingredients and put it on her and after she got her revenge, I escalated by running after her and holding her waist so she couldn't run away and got her back. She didn't re-escalate at that point, so I left it alone. During the movie, while sitting beside her I tried for compliance by making sure my arm and hip was in contact with hers. She asked me a few things about her hair, so I used that cue to run my hand through her hair not once but a few times while contacting her neck at the same time. Then at some conversation later, she showed me a healing wound on her arm, so I held her arm and ran my thumb over her wound slowly back and forth and a bit on the sensual side hopefully making sure she got the message that I was interested in her way more than just normal friends. I was about 6-10 inches from her face all through these events while still in direct contact with her body. I think her voice became softer as well as time progressed and she never moved away. Funny thing is, during that conversation, she started to mention the things like "the few most important things for her out of someone in a relationship" which she had never brought up before and asked me the same question about what was important for me in a relationship with someone. I'm hitting myself for not going for a k-close at that point, because I feel that I probably could have, but for whatever reason, I didn't.

That's when it started to turn a bit awkward.

We went out for drinks that same night, but it got a little bit weird though and for some reason, it started to become a bit like an interview, like we didn't have much to say to each other. When she had to go, she looked at me a bit weird too before we had our goodbye hug. We did spend 8 hours that day together, so I'm not sure if it was too much time together, lowering interest level because she wants to ljbf, or awkwardness due to my escalation and then reluctance to carry through. In any case, because of the previous kino earlier during the day, as I opened up doors, it felt easy to place my hand on her back guiding her through it and the goodbye hug with my hand pulling her into me again on her lower back.

One red flag is that she sometimes will look around the room when people are coming in when we are at a restaurant. Sometimes even at a waitress or at a table of people sitting down. She doesn't text or check her phone though during our outings, but I find it a bit offputting nonetheless.

So, the third date is coming up this weekend, and I'm trying to figure out what the heck to do next. I've been trying to control my interest level by not texting or calling between dates and leaving it to at least mid-week or letting a few days go by before re-inviting her to a next date. But at this point, I must be in the mid nineties with my interest level, so I need some help before I totally ef this up!

This weekend is a party with a live show, so I figure that I would at some point hold her hand and bring her closer to the stage, and stand to her side slightly behind her and actually hold her waist and pull her into me. After she gets comfortable, I should be able to look at her, k-close and let the evening happen at that point.. but after that strange awkwardness ending the 2nd date, I'm kinda stuck as to what I should do next!

I have no idea if I'm even doing any of this properly, so any advice would be appreciated to help me close this!

Author:  LBot [ Wed May 16, 2012 5:04 pm ]
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Well, that awkwardness at the end of day2 was because you escalated and backed off. Giving her a mixed signal. You did some things right in the early part of the day and should have at least kept that tempo and gone for a K-close.

You are spot on about the red flag, repeatedly looking at an exit is a sign of her wanting to escape or for a distraction.

Shy girls are different I have found, I'll post a link to my recent encounter with the shy kind it has some good advice from JSmooth.

Also some of my opinions on texting more than you would in another situation to reassure them you are interested in them.

meeting-day25-with-a-shy-girl-advice-vt ... highlight=

Well there is the link.

Hope it helps.

Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Wed May 16, 2012 5:30 pm ]
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You are on the fence for the "Friend Zone" Bro! MAKE YOUR MOVE! She is wondering why you have not yet.

Author:  Ophidian [ Wed May 16, 2012 5:42 pm ]
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search the forum for some kiss gambits and such.
next time you should k close her as soon as such an oppertunity presents itself!

Author:  thetransformation [ Wed May 16, 2012 7:47 pm ]
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Question is.. do chicks ever agree to come over alone to a guys house alone on a friend-only premise? Or do we simply read too much into it and assume "girl-coming-over-alone" means she expects the guy to escalate?

Well, she'll be over again on Saturday to meet up before going out, so I'll have to find some way of pre-escalating fast when she does. I'll have to find some way of k-closing. The worst case scenario is that she backs off and I might lose a friend. But I can't be her friend... no way.. that would kill me :P

Author:  LBot [ Wed May 16, 2012 8:21 pm ]
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Question is.. do chicks ever agree to come over alone to a guys house alone on a friend-only premise? Or do we simply read too much into it and assume "girl-coming-over-alone" means she expects the guy to escalate?

Well, she'll be over again on Saturday to meet up before going out, so I'll have to find some way of pre-escalating fast when she does. I'll have to find some way of k-closing. The worst case scenario is that she backs off and I might lose a friend. But I can't be her friend... no way.. that would kill me :P
She could have either reason, the one I would assume is that she likes you and feels comfortable with you, I would have taken advantage of that and tested her then I know pretty quickly why she came over by herself.

The easiest way to K-close is to just go for it. not a quick peck but a kiss don't ram your tongue in there though. Warm her up before hand with playful kino like when she makes you laugh touch her arm lightly almost like your using her to balance because you might fall from laughter (thats the best way to describe it you don't want to make it look like you are going to fall haha).

If you run the compliance ladder you may realize that you a kissing her before you leave your house.

Author:  LBot [ Wed May 16, 2012 8:22 pm ]
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Also, Tell her that if she just wants to be friends, just be honest and say that you can't do that because you are attracted to her.

Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Wed May 16, 2012 8:30 pm ]
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Question is.. do chicks ever agree to come over alone to a guys house alone on a friend-only premise? Or do we simply read too much into it and assume "girl-coming-over-alone" means she expects the guy to escalate?

Well, she'll be over again on Saturday to meet up before going out, so I'll have to find some way of pre-escalating fast when she does. I'll have to find some way of k-closing. The worst case scenario is that she backs off and I might lose a friend. But I can't be her friend... no way.. that would kill me :P
You are Way over thinking Bro!
Yes they will come over alone, always assuming the situation May escalate.
But as long as there is enough comfort, she will feel like she is in control. Get me?

Don't plan so hard, just plan to have fun!

When she gets there, give a big happy hug, pull back and point at your cheek, when she goes to kiss it, turn your head to catch it on the lips! Game On Bro!

Author:  LBot [ Wed May 16, 2012 8:42 pm ]
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Don't plan so hard, just plan to have fun!

When she gets there, give a big happy hug, pull back and point at your cheek, when she goes to kiss it, turn your head to catch it on the lips! Game On Bro!
That is what you need to do, once you have done that. The seal is broken dude you won't be shy to kiss her when ever you feel like it after that.

Author:  thetransformation [ Thu May 17, 2012 11:29 am ]
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Hmm.. looks like she may bail this weekend. I can't really get into details, but it's not a normal type of party, so she isn't feeling too comfortable in going. At least, that is the indication that I am getting. She is asking if there is someone else I can ask, which I obviously don't this late in the week. If this does in fact happen, looks like I won't get a chance to escalate with her at all. I know this is definitely a sign of falling interest level (Because females don't cancel if they want to see you). I can just freeze her out, but not sure whether this tactic is relevant on a shy girl or a girl that doesn't have much in the way of playing the game.

If I don't freeze her out, is there any other way to express my interest in her without DLVing? Telling her is obviously a DLV, especially if I do it over the phone. I guess my take on this is: I don't currently know if she knows I like her (either she does, but because she does, she is backing off), but at least if I know that she unconditionally knows (and I need her to know 100%), then I can accept if she doesn't feel the same way and I can move on to others. But I can't accept not knowing...

Author:  LBot [ Thu May 17, 2012 12:08 pm ]
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If you can bail on the party do it.

Say "I understand that's why I'm going to take you to ..... instead".

Unless she gave a specific reason that she is busy doing something else etc.

Otherwise pick another day. At the end of the day if she keeps flaking there is more benifit moving on to other fish.

Author:  thetransformation [ Thu May 17, 2012 4:09 pm ]
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So basically at this point, she knows of my intentions. It was quite strange actually, because once she found out my intentions, her response caught me off guard. She told me she enjoyed doing things together with me, but that she needs a long time to get to know someone and that we should hang out at different events or do other things together (I assume with the premise of us gauging compatibility a bit further?). I guess I will continue to setup dates with her and monitor her interest level to see where this goes.

This is truly agnonizing because this is neither a "I don't like you," or a "I like you." She's making me work for it and it could end up either way :P

Author:  LBot [ Thu May 17, 2012 4:20 pm ]
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Keep as side project (using minimal effort) continue meeting other woman.

Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Thu May 17, 2012 4:43 pm ]
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She's making me work for it and it could end up either way :P
NOshe is not Makingyou do anything! Youare, your agreeing with everything she says, doing everything she wants!
You will end up her emotional tampon! or Wallet for BFF dates!

You need to ask your self the #1 Question: Do you want to fuck her?? or just be her buddy?

Time to Man up lead and take charge![/b]

Soft next...or hard next!

Author:  thetransformation [ Thu May 17, 2012 5:13 pm ]
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I gave her an out today as I invited her to come over and visit this afternoon for a picnic as it was something she suggested that we do "at some indeterminate" point in the future instead of the plan we had this weekend. If she makes the effort to come over (as she lives a decent ways away), then I will give her another chance and continue contact and develop this relationship. The stakes are on the table and she knows I like her, so if my effort is not met with hers, I'll take the advice here and next this one.

FWIW: She pays for some of these outings herself, and no friend zone talk topics yet, so I'm playing this by ear right now.

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