PUA Forum :: Pre-Selection?

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I've taken some time off from PUA/gaming, mainly because my frustrations were building to the brim. After all of the failures I seriously needed to do some soul-searching/inner work. It was time to turn within.

For a long time, I had been frustrated with my lack of success as well as the complexity of women as it pertains to their attraction. Even after reading DYD and the like, I honestly felt like something was missing...and considered giving up, and for a while that's what I did, sort of.

I spent a long time doing a lot of soul searching and "inner" work, but it gets to a point where if you focus too much on your inner problems, you'll drive yourself insane and think yourself into a deeper hole and come up with no solutions or, worse yet, NEGATIVE solutions...at some point, it's not your fault anymore, and I've come to that point today.

So, as I said before, I took time off. I went to school, I lifted and weight-trained, I worked many a job, and did a lot of things to take my mind off of my troubles as over-thinking was killing me.

Soon enough, I came upon two conclusions which pretty much summed up all my issues:

1) Girls suck
2) My own short-comings/issues

While I realized that #1 may be true (they themselves will even tell you how bitchy they can be), it didn't change the fact that I still have (had) issues that needed to be fixed, and that there are ways around it (if other guys can figure it out, then so can I...no excuses).

Anyway, I've now reached the point where I'm ready to start learning the more concrete/technical/outer game aspects of PUA again, which brings me to this topic.

Earlier today I ran into "The Tao of Badass"...the long and the short of it, one term that caught my eye was, "pre-selection".

During my journeys (I'd be out at bars, clubs...other types of social gatherings either as an observer or an active participant) I observed men who were successful with women and one question would always come to mind: "how did these guys meet these women?"

Among the many possible answers that would pop into my head would be "they somehow knew them beforehand, so I guess it would help to get to know them before hand". I would over-think and trap myself into a vicious circle and not really come up with a solution. In short, I'd still be left with the same question from the start.

Fast forward to today: I ran across the term "pre-selection" when I, by sheer luck, derped across this PUA material called "The Tao of Badass" by Joshua Pellicer. When I had it explained to me, it made too much sense.

Not only did it answer the main question at the time, it also helped me answer other questions that would pop into my head during my period of soul-searching:

"What am I giving off to these women to make them not like me?"

"I must be doing something wrong from the start, what is it?"

If we do a little back-tracking it makes perfect sense. All of the traits that we learn to be attractive in DYD all pretty much go right back to making you appear to be "preselected". However, for some reason, I would learn various standalone traits and techniques, but it would be akin to having all the bricks to build the house, but nothing to hold them together.

I honestly think I've found my linchpin from a purely outer-game/technical standpoint. The thing that I was missing even while learning DYD.

The $64,000 Question(s): I was considering getting "The Tao of Badass" not only because of his emphasis on "pre-selection", but other important points he brought up (such as not facing her with your chest when you initially talk to her as it signifies neediness), but what other materials out there emphasis pre-selection?

Any thoughts on pre-selection as an emphasis in game?
Am I wrong for thinking that pre-selection is my linchpin/ the thing I was missing?
Am I wrong for thinking that all of the 'attractive' traits that we learn (body language, confidence, etc.) are rooted in preselection?

Thank you for your time. And good luck to all of you in your ventures.

You know what I found. Once you have solid "outer game" your inner game will naturally stabilize and reflect it. You can't really fake confidence, I mean you can, but for how long? Just because the best man you can be and confidence will follow.

Author:	corey#8 [ Tue May 08, 2012 3:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Pre-Selection?
I've taken some time off from PUA/gaming, mainly because my frustrations were building to the brim. After all of the failures I seriously needed to do some soul-searching/inner work. It was time to turn within. For a long time, I had been frustrated with my lack of success as well as the complexity of women as it pertains to their attraction. Even after reading DYD and the like, I honestly felt like something was missing...and considered giving up, and for a while that's what I did, sort of. I spent a long time doing a lot of soul searching and "inner" work, but it gets to a point where if you focus too much on your inner problems, you'll drive yourself insane and think yourself into a deeper hole and come up with no solutions or, worse yet, NEGATIVE solutions...at some point, it's not your fault anymore, and I've come to that point today. So, as I said before, I took time off. I went to school, I lifted and weight-trained, I worked many a job, and did a lot of things to take my mind off of my troubles as over-thinking was killing me. Soon enough, I came upon two conclusions which pretty much summed up all my issues: 1) Girls suck 2) My own short-comings/issues While I realized that #1 may be true (they themselves will even tell you how bitchy they can be), it didn't change the fact that I still have (had) issues that needed to be fixed, and that there are ways around it (if other guys can figure it out, then so can I...no excuses). Anyway, I've now reached the point where I'm ready to start learning the more concrete/technical/outer game aspects of PUA again, which brings me to this topic. Earlier today I ran into "The Tao of Badass"...the long and the short of it, one term that caught my eye was, "pre-selection". During my journeys (I'd be out at bars, clubs...other types of social gatherings either as an observer or an active participant) I observed men who were successful with women and one question would always come to mind: "how did these guys meet these women?" Among the many possible answers that would pop into my head would be "they somehow knew them beforehand, so I guess it would help to get to know them before hand". I would over-think and trap myself into a vicious circle and not really come up with a solution. In short, I'd still be left with the same question from the start. Fast forward to today: I ran across the term "pre-selection" when I, by sheer luck, derped across this PUA material called "The Tao of Badass" by Joshua Pellicer. When I had it explained to me, it made too much sense. Not only did it answer the main question at the time, it also helped me answer other questions that would pop into my head during my period of soul-searching: "What am I giving off to these women to make them not like me?" "I must be doing something wrong from the start, what is it?" If we do a little back-tracking it makes perfect sense. All of the traits that we learn to be attractive in DYD all pretty much go right back to making you appear to be "preselected". However, for some reason, I would learn various standalone traits and techniques, but it would be akin to having all the bricks to build the house, but nothing to hold them together. I honestly think I've found my linchpin from a purely outer-game/technical standpoint. The thing that I was missing even while learning DYD. The $64,000 Question(s): I was considering getting "The Tao of Badass" not only because of his emphasis on "pre-selection", but other important points he brought up (such as not facing her with your chest when you initially talk to her as it signifies neediness), but what other materials out there emphasis pre-selection? Any thoughts on pre-selection as an emphasis in game? Am I wrong for thinking that pre-selection is my linchpin/ the thing I was missing? Am I wrong for thinking that all of the 'attractive' traits that we learn (body language, confidence, etc.) are rooted in preselection? Thank you for your time. And good luck to all of you in your ventures.

Author:	brradd [ Wed May 16, 2012 7:02 am ]
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Im not here to tell you I know more than you. And im not here to share with you a know all formula to get girls. Im just trying to share what ive personally found what pre-selection is and how it can benefit your personal game when executed correctly. When you enter a bar/club/venue you need energy and you need a smile. If youre not with a group of guy and girl friends you need to find some asap. Approach the first set you see. literally the FIRST ONE. It doesnt matter if you tank in this set and it doesnt matter if these girls are actually fucking tanks. All that matters is that you have demonstated that you apparently know people and that demonstrates higher value to every girl watching. That is what preselection is about. Its about a girl having a positive opinion of you before you even approach her. Its about her whispering to her friend "who is that guy" or "does this dude know everyone?". Preselection is about the girl wanting to meet you because you seem so cool and so interesting and that is why it works. I hope this helped dude and good luck. Cheers -BRAD

Author:	vcwriter [ Wed May 16, 2012 8:34 pm ]
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Pre-selection isn't a magic bullet. But it DOES help. I find I have the least amount of success with girls when I go out with a group of like 8 guys. Much better to go out in a mixed group, or with no one at all. If you have girls around you, you immediately pass the "not a creep" test. If they're attractive girls, you might even seem like a high status dude, whether they think you've gotten with them or not. The other part of it is that having female friends is really underrated. Probably because dudes here are so pissed off about "let's just be friends". (Whole other conversation.) If you have a real friendship with a girl where you HELP her meet guys, she'll vouch for you and help you meet girls. You'll also learn a lot more about how to have a normal conversation with a girl, which some guys find really uncomfortable. The last thing I'll say about pre-selection is that a lot of it's subconscious. The secret to getting good with women is believing you're already good with women. As a good general rule, you might ask "what would I do if I had 20 women in my life at all times?" You wouldn't push too hard to close every girl that you meet. You wouldn't text a girl for a month and then get all weird about asking her out. You wouldn't cling to the first girl who gives you the time of day. A girl can sense when you're desperate, and they can sense when you don't need them. You can actually fake it til you make it, but it involves breaking a lot of bad habits.

Author:	Da Vinci 22 [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:49 am ]
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As the mystery method and many other pua guides describe, preselection is a very good weapon, it's the logic of it an it's as simple as this from a girls point of view- He's a guy There's girls with this guy/ hes comfortable talking to women etc Therefore there's something that this guys got that gets him this attention It's as simple as that, and when you demonstrate preselection it raises your status, and girls will be more open to your approach. You can even embed preselection in your approach like saying your seeing someone and you need a female opinion'. Try reading mystery method and mystery method revelation, also try gamblers stealth seduction videos in YouTube. Hope that helps mate. Much love Da Vinci 22

Author:	Watermelon [ Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pre-Selection?
Quote: I've taken some time off from PUA/gaming, mainly because my frustrations were building to the brim. After all of the failures I seriously needed to do some soul-searching/inner work. It was time to turn within. For a long time, I had been frustrated with my lack of success as well as the complexity of women as it pertains to their attraction. Even after reading DYD and the like, I honestly felt like something was missing...and considered giving up, and for a while that's what I did, sort of. I spent a long time doing a lot of soul searching and "inner" work, but it gets to a point where if you focus too much on your inner problems, you'll drive yourself insane and think yourself into a deeper hole and come up with no solutions or, worse yet, NEGATIVE solutions...at some point, it's not your fault anymore, and I've come to that point today. So, as I said before, I took time off. I went to school, I lifted and weight-trained, I worked many a job, and did a lot of things to take my mind off of my troubles as over-thinking was killing me. Soon enough, I came upon two conclusions which pretty much summed up all my issues: 1) Girls suck 2) My own short-comings/issues While I realized that #1 may be true (they themselves will even tell you how bitchy they can be), it didn't change the fact that I still have (had) issues that needed to be fixed, and that there are ways around it (if other guys can figure it out, then so can I...no excuses). Anyway, I've now reached the point where I'm ready to start learning the more concrete/technical/outer game aspects of PUA again, which brings me to this topic. Earlier today I ran into "The Tao of Badass"...the long and the short of it, one term that caught my eye was, "pre-selection". During my journeys (I'd be out at bars, clubs...other types of social gatherings either as an observer or an active participant) I observed men who were successful with women and one question would always come to mind: "how did these guys meet these women?" Among the many possible answers that would pop into my head would be "they somehow knew them beforehand, so I guess it would help to get to know them before hand". I would over-think and trap myself into a vicious circle and not really come up with a solution. In short, I'd still be left with the same question from the start. Fast forward to today: I ran across the term "pre-selection" when I, by sheer luck, derped across this PUA material called "The Tao of Badass" by Joshua Pellicer. When I had it explained to me, it made too much sense. Not only did it answer the main question at the time, it also helped me answer other questions that would pop into my head during my period of soul-searching: "What am I giving off to these women to make them not like me?" "I must be doing something wrong from the start, what is it?" If we do a little back-tracking it makes perfect sense. All of the traits that we learn to be attractive in DYD all pretty much go right back to making you appear to be "preselected". However, for some reason, I would learn various standalone traits and techniques, but it would be akin to having all the bricks to build the house, but nothing to hold them together. I honestly think I've found my linchpin from a purely outer-game/technical standpoint. The thing that I was missing even while learning DYD. The $64,000 Question(s): I was considering getting "The Tao of Badass" not only because of his emphasis on "pre-selection", but other important points he brought up (such as not facing her with your chest when you initially talk to her as it signifies neediness), but what other materials out there emphasis pre-selection? Any thoughts on pre-selection as an emphasis in game? Am I wrong for thinking that pre-selection is my linchpin/ the thing I was missing? Am I wrong for thinking that all of the 'attractive' traits that we learn (body language, confidence, etc.) are rooted in preselection? Thank you for your time. And good luck to all of you in your ventures. You know what I found. Once you have solid "outer game" your inner game will naturally stabilize and reflect it. You can't really fake confidence, I mean you can, but for how long? Just because the best man you can be and confidence will follow.

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Author:	Black Phantom [ Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pre-Selection?
I'm not sure I can answer your question about pre-selection, but I can skip couple of chapters that you still need to go through in your life, and tell you about the reason why women possibly didn't like you. It can be because you were : A) Trying to fill a void inside of yourself by being successful with women, and through that get acceptance from yourself and others, so you were pushing yourself onto women or B) You haven't fully accepted yourself and realised what a fucking beautiful human being you are. When I was in my journey of becoming better with women, I too read DYD, and a shit-load of other stuff. But the real success or breakthrough came for me when I wrote down all my fears, insecurities, perceived faults like, "I'm not worth enough to date high-status women" and "If I approach a girl everybody will see that I'm interested in her and I'll be judged for it..." I put it all down on paper, and I started with my journey of self-acceptance. I accepted my insecurities. I accepted my fears. I stopped fighting them and surrendered myself into them. Note that I didn't give in and gave up because of them. I just became OK with the fact that I have them. I quit living in denial. And then I spent quite some time in eliminating them. Today I am a different man. I see myself as the higher status in the world. When I go out, those hot promoter girls are not amazingly better than me. I am as natural and assertive with them as I am with the least attractive girl in the club. All I can offer you is help with the test group I am working on right now, where I'm testing my AA Cure technique. It's a shortcut to a lot of things you talked about here, and can help you to find your truth easier. If you want in, details in my signature. Wish you best.

Author:	Watermelon [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pre-Selection?
Thanks man, that helped.

Author:	Melodical [ Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pre-Selection?
Quote: Quote: I've taken some time off from PUA/gaming, mainly because my frustrations were building to the brim. After all of the failures I seriously needed to do some soul-searching/inner work. It was time to turn within. For a long time, I had been frustrated with my lack of success as well as the complexity of women as it pertains to their attraction. Even after reading DYD and the like, I honestly felt like something was missing...and considered giving up, and for a while that's what I did, sort of. I spent a long time doing a lot of soul searching and "inner" work, but it gets to a point where if you focus too much on your inner problems, you'll drive yourself insane and think yourself into a deeper hole and come up with no solutions or, worse yet, NEGATIVE solutions...at some point, it's not your fault anymore, and I've come to that point today. So, as I said before, I took time off. I went to school, I lifted and weight-trained, I worked many a job, and did a lot of things to take my mind off of my troubles as over-thinking was killing me. Soon enough, I came upon two conclusions which pretty much summed up all my issues: 1) Girls suck 2) My own short-comings/issues While I realized that #1 may be true (they themselves will even tell you how bitchy they can be), it didn't change the fact that I still have (had) issues that needed to be fixed, and that there are ways around it (if other guys can figure it out, then so can I...no excuses). Anyway, I've now reached the point where I'm ready to start learning the more concrete/technical/outer game aspects of PUA again, which brings me to this topic. Earlier today I ran into "The Tao of Badass"...the long and the short of it, one term that caught my eye was, "pre-selection". During my journeys (I'd be out at bars, clubs...other types of social gatherings either as an observer or an active participant) I observed men who were successful with women and one question would always come to mind: "how did these guys meet these women?" Among the many possible answers that would pop into my head would be "they somehow knew them beforehand, so I guess it would help to get to know them before hand". I would over-think and trap myself into a vicious circle and not really come up with a solution. In short, I'd still be left with the same question from the start. Fast forward to today: I ran across the term "pre-selection" when I, by sheer luck, derped across this PUA material called "The Tao of Badass" by Joshua Pellicer. When I had it explained to me, it made too much sense. Not only did it answer the main question at the time, it also helped me answer other questions that would pop into my head during my period of soul-searching: "What am I giving off to these women to make them not like me?" "I must be doing something wrong from the start, what is it?" If we do a little back-tracking it makes perfect sense. All of the traits that we learn to be attractive in DYD all pretty much go right back to making you appear to be "preselected". However, for some reason, I would learn various standalone traits and techniques, but it would be akin to having all the bricks to build the house, but nothing to hold them together. I honestly think I've found my linchpin from a purely outer-game/technical standpoint. The thing that I was missing even while learning DYD. The $64,000 Question(s): I was considering getting "The Tao of Badass" not only because of his emphasis on "pre-selection", but other important points he brought up (such as not facing her with your chest when you initially talk to her as it signifies neediness), but what other materials out there emphasis pre-selection? Any thoughts on pre-selection as an emphasis in game? Am I wrong for thinking that pre-selection is my linchpin/ the thing I was missing? Am I wrong for thinking that all of the 'attractive' traits that we learn (body language, confidence, etc.) are rooted in preselection? Thank you for your time. And good luck to all of you in your ventures. You know what I found. Once you have solid "outer game" your inner game will naturally stabilize and reflect it. You can't really fake confidence, I mean you can, but for how long? Just because the best man you can be and confidence will follow. There comes a point where you're not faking it anymore (confidence) and it becomes real if you act accordingly confident. It's what's called "embodied cognition" The brain and the body are in a constant feedback loop to each other. If the body is acting confident then that feeds back to the brain as "how it is" so the brain increases it own confidence which in turn passes to the body and eventually you end up the loop tightening and you are confident. There's a lot of wisdom in the saying "fake it till you make it". As for pre selection that's one of the primary attraction triggers for women. The other two are... Leader of men. Protector of loved ones. preselection is a different breed from the other two as it's demonstrating that you're "pre-approved" by other women. The other women have done all the hard work for you, in the ancestral environment this could literally save you life if you picked the wrong guy.

Author:	Serotonin [ Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:53 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Pre-Selection?
While pres-election is an interesting topic it's not as important as you make it seem. I myself haven't heard of the product you mention, nor do I believe you need one. To be successful with women you don't need to purchase any product, although there are some that help as a guide. Might I ask why you as so infatuated with this idea of pre-selection anyways?

Author:	Karlb [ Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:09 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Pre-Selection?
Glad you are working on yourself. That's essential. And don't worry - not all women suck. Most are betas with confidence issues but there are some epic ladies out there. And yes - preselection is a wonderful, wonderful thing but I believe it's more of a general term that can be broken down into more specific categories. An example: social status. Guys like Greg Greenway teach it and it's an amazing thing to study. There are more of these categories, of course: body language, appearance, style... pretty much anything that has to do with how you can be perceived or viewed by others. But of course, it's going to work best when you're a confident guy and the good news is your'e working towards that.

Author:	Finished [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 7:26 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Pre-Selection?
Pre selection is powerful and does get you laid. The more popular you are with girls, the more girls will be interested in you. Pretty simple. Lulz. P.S. Girls don't suck... never speak like that. Not unless you're referring to the good type of sucking, which I don't think you were.

Author:	Dragula [ Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:54 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Pre-Selection?
The whole Game thing IS preselection "he's not texting me Every 2 seconds like most guys do, and he must be busy with other girls." "Wow this guy escalated smooth and fast, he must do this with other girls" "Wow. This guy doesn't take my shit, he must have other options " "He is asking me if I smoke. He does sure seem picky with girls, he must meet a lot of them " Etc Go ahead and read the material. Just get in the field ASAP and let stuff autocorrect. It's not that hard to differentiate from the average guy

Author:	ChocolatePUA [ Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:42 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Pre-Selection?
Why the fuck was this post that start in 2012 bumped?

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