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Direct Game Vs. Indirect Game By Roosh
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Author:  Dusty-Page [ Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:07 am ]
Post subject:  Direct Game Vs. Indirect Game By Roosh
It’s easy to get romanced by direct game. Guys read stories about others who’ve succeeded by going direct and believe it’s the path of least resistance from getting no girls to lots of girls. While direct game does have its uses and can work in certain situations, I firmly believe that if you’re a guy who has little natural ability and needs aftermarket game to get laid, you’ll have a higher success rate with indirect game.

Here are a couple direct game openers:

“Hi I noticed you from across the room and you seem like an interesting person. What’s your name?”

“Hi I don’t have a lot of time to talk, unfortunately, but you seem like the type of person I would like to get to know. Do you want meet some other time over coffee?”

For reference purposes, here are two indirect openers:

“Is it okay if I pretend I’m talking to you? There’s this girl over there who won’t leave me alone, so I’m hoping she’ll see me with you and get the hint. Feel free to touch me lightly on the shoulder to make this more believable.”

“Hey do you speak English? What does this word here on the menu mean? I wish I had a dictionary on my phone.”

Direct game doesn’t mean you get mushy, throw out compliments, or buy her drinks. Then that wouldn’t be game. The above direct game examples don’t reference her beauty, and even set up a little challenge that your interest is dependent on her being a cool person, though some other guys do in fact reference beauty in their direct openers.

Many say direct game is “better,” but unfortunately we’re not able to conduct scientific studies to prove either side. Even my conclusions are based only on experience and anecdotal evidence. The main problem I have with direct game is this: it shows your cards right away and forces the girl to make a decision before you build up any value besides your appearance and confidence. That’s not enough for the majority of Western girls. You’re not giving her the time and information she needs to weigh the pros and cons on sleeping with you. Instead, immediately after the opener, you force her to decide right then and there if she wants to get involved. She’ll bow out (“Sorry I have a boyfriend”), or just be nice to you for the flattering attention. Truth is direct game guys get a lot of numbers but have a pitiful close rate.

But let’s say you’re a natural who has been getting laid since you were 15-years-old. Girls gravitate to you and wherever you go you’re getting checked out, probably due to your above-average looks and sexy body language. In that case going direct may be a better option. For some really good-looking guys who have limited conversational skills, going indirect would actually hurt them. They need to quickly get down to business before she realizes there isn’t much substance beneath the surface.

The more value you have, in terms of looks and status, the more direct you can go where you can approach girls saying they’re beautiful and bang that night without problems. But if you’re a random guy off the street who needs to study game to get the girls he wants, chance are you don’t have that initial value where you will be rewarded for your direct opener.

Every now and then I’m at a bar where for whatever reason I’m getting tons of looks or even getting approached outright. On those specific nights, I can go direct with success. On the other hand, if very few girls are checking me out, or the place is packed with dudes, going direct would be a suicide mission unless my target is ugly. If not a lot of girls are peeping you in the club, approach with indirect game, but if you feel like a rock star and think you can have your pick of whichever woman you want, then go direct. Unfortunately this type of scenario will never happen to most of us.

Bottom line: there are girls who will reject your direct game that would have eventually fucked you had you gone indirect. But not the other way around. If you approach a girl indirect that you could have gone direct on, the only difference is that it will take a little longer for the close. Because of this reason alone, it’s simply a good bet to have a default game that is indirect. Direct game is fun to mess around with on the side, but when I’m serious about getting laid I stay indirect. Even in a country like Brazil, where direct game is more rewarded than in the States, I still roll with indirect game unless I’m on a hot streak. For average looking guys, it’s their best option.
Author:  bolanle [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:37 am ]
Post subject:  coool
very very insightful man great post
Author:  titanman [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:47 am ]
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Good post. I try to use either depending on the situation. Like day game is much better for direct.

Check out Justin Wayne's videos on his direct approaches. Amazing.

But I think you should use both based on context.

Anything to read on sexy body language in particular?
Author:  ClavoARG [ Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:58 pm ]
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I agree with OP, i get better results with indirect approach.

Many times i ask girls about how men approach, and mostly they dislike the direct one, they think you are like that with every single woman out there, with indirect they think "he wants to knows me more" and is not coming only by my looks.
Author:  PurpleTurtle [ Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:09 pm ]
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They both work!! this is just my opinion but Direct works better during the day and Indirect at night but they can both work day or night.
Author:  SexAddict911 [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:28 am ]
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Both are good and should be used accordingly. I have opened lots of women both ways, but at some point my sexuality is going to be direct. The thing is, if you are approaching a woman, even if you do it indirectly, you are in a sense, still doing a direct approach. Your body language and intent will tell the truth.

A majority of women will know through instinct alone if you have a physical interest in them. Our unconscious never lies. Even if a woman is oblivious to body language, she will still get a sense. So you see, Indirect becomes direct. Direct, can become indirect.( building comfort after you make your point of interest) In a sense, they are both the same.

Cold approach- I'd use Indirect opener, (comfort) followed by Direct ( sexual intent)
Hot approach-direct open( sexual Intent) followed by Indirect ( comfort)
Author:  CaptainJackHarkness [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:12 am ]
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Author:  Dusty-Page [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:51 am ]
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Quote:
Anything to read on sexy body language in particular?

These books would be able to tell you what you need.
The Definitive Book on Body Language : Allan Pease
What Every Body is Saying : Joe Navarro
Undercover Sex Signals : Leil Lowndess
Quote:
I have opened lots of women both ways, but at some point my sexuality is going to be direct. The thing is, if you are approaching a woman, even if you do it indirectly, you are in a sense, still doing a direct approach. Your body language and intent will tell the truth.
Exactly!! I do think Roosh is a little biased in that article, favouring indirect game. Most guys that go Direct most of the time thinks guys going Indirect are afraid of rejection and Indirect guys believe you gotta establish comfort first before proceeding, thus they criticise Direct game. Same as MM dudes vs Naturals, and on and on goes the fucking same old argument.

Personaly i think, the key to perfecting your game is learning to ADAPT to different situations. I believe certain scenarios require certain actions.
For instance a buddy of mine who's probably one of the most direct guys I know, he dont wana hear a word of indirect game. And to be honest here on college direct game is more rewarded then indirect. DTF-girls at every event. Being a virgin here should be a shame. Anyway back to my friend, he like went out and used only and mean only "The Apocalypse opener". He bragged about full closing 5 girls in 2weeks, Praising the power of Shock and Awe, we never heard the end of it. Last we week we got a job to go film a christianing. Needless to say my bud went into an Abbey with his Shock and Awe attitude. got blown out by almost every girl he approached!!! Why? not because Shock and AWe is a bad style of gaming, but because the situation didnt warrant for that type of game. At the moment I open indirect and then immediately transition to direct, making my Statement Of Intent!! It's not because im afraid of rejection (Ive passed that stage awhile ago) Im just looking for ways to make my personal game more efficient.

That's just me.
Author:  Amadieus [ Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:11 am ]
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Roosh gives us a example of u would have got a girl going indirect while going direct would get u blown out.

But the forgets to mention that you also lose girls by going to slow.

In my opinion direct game also works better in clubs. Hard time talking, defensive girlfriends and cockblocking guys makes it better to go direct and cut out alot of time u would have to invest in a girl only to get cockblocked by her friends.

Not forgetting that having a good conversation in a loud club is hard to do.
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