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Author:  GeminisNext [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:49 pm ]
Post subject:  After the opener
My game is deffiniteley better since I started learning about PUA and The Game but Ive still got lots of loose ends.
One of my main problems is after I open a set I start to run out of things to say.More like....my mind goes blank...is there any canned mid-convo topic I can say until I get enough experience to use my own or be spontaneous?
Author:  Clae [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:33 pm ]
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Hi,

Sometimes I get a similar thing (I'm new to the community also), however you could always use another opener during the conversation: opinion, fight outside, magic etc. Then with time things will become more natural and fluid and maybe your set or target may present some more leads/hook points. Additionally, you could always run something like Neill Strauss' 5 questions/lies game with your target, I think the cube is a little more deep and could be used further in conversation.
Hope this helps, there's also a couple of other threads that have similar stuff written down around the forum.

Best wishes,
Clae
Author:  Octave [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:39 am ]
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eventually it will become earlier. The more you get her invested in the conversation, the more she add to it, the less you need to think of something new.

For now i would say stack routines until you can become more situational. My rule is, when conversing, wait until after you have built comfort to ask personal questions. Dont start off with, so whats your major, where are you from, etc. Its 1. Unoriginal 2. Boring, and 3. She wont be interested int telling someone that stuff she doesnt know, but she maybe interested in telling that to someone she wants to get to know.

But thats more of a what not to do answer.

Its kinda like facebook. They are successful from content OTHER PEOPLE ADD. They just set up a guide for users to put there own input, and turn it into a profit.
Author:  Dr.Joyful [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:44 am ]
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I used to have this problem but i got over it quickly by just having constant conversations with as many people as i can. Find any stranger even a dude and just try to carry a convo with him. think of it like practice. the opener is there to just grab their attention. to hold it you must converse with them. So practice conversing as much as you can with anyone you can right? you will slowly and naturally get better. At least for me it did.

Although everyone freezes sometime but thats where i just use the obvious questions, where you from? What Are you up to? etc... That or I will complinent or neg the girls clothes.

My general rule for talking to girls is to fish for info, something she does or hate/like. Then use that info to build rapport. Even if she gives me a compliment i would try to turn it on its head and use it against her.

Hope this helps
Author:  Fvckitimout [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:23 am ]
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Underpants > ??? > profit

Opener > ??? > sex

Dont stress be a pua gnome.
Author:  Jerry Green [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:20 pm ]
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Hey,

Well it seems that you have your opening down but the rest of your game is lacking. I had this exact same problem when I just started in the community and I know how frustrating it can be. All I can suggest, like many instructors would suggest, is to push your limits in the conversation. You ran out of something to say? Ok, well try tossing another opener in there. Throw out a cold read like "oh, you're the bad one and you're the good one." Talk about something wild that happened to you today or something that you find interesting . You don't need to have a perfect road map to get to your destination. All you need to know is where you want to go, and roughly how to get there.

Your objective is obviously to get the girl. Are you going to get her by having your mind blank and then ejecting? No, you have a better chance of getting the girl to barrage her with talk than to walk away. Nothing to say. Fine, just push your limits until you socialize yourself.

Keep thinking to yourself, what's better, leaving the interaction (therefore obtaining ZERO results) or just to wing it (and have the possibility of getting results). Eventually, if you do this enough, you will know what to say, when to say it, how to say it, etc etc.

If you want to know some canned lines to say, look up DHV stories, look up IVD's, look up things like that. There are hundreds of them on this forum and online.

Hope this helps
Author:  eripmav [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:41 pm ]
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I used to have this problem. It's down to not having a genuine interest. If you are genuinely interested, and not just thinking about how to get to the close, you won't run out of stuff to say.
Author:  pumpington [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:14 pm ]
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i say be spontaneous,

if you can not do this and have terrible test syndrome, use these as your trump cards,
SO, HOW DO YOU ALL KNOW EACH OTHER

SO, TELL ME ABOUT YOURSELF

LOOK AT THIS GUY (point to random person, begin talking about him JUST POINT OUT ANYTHING ABOUT HIM, then continue having conversation)

YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT *location you are in city or specific bar* IS IT *BLAH BLAH BLAH*

you can also routine stack, it is probably good to develop one, just to break out for if you are in a test syndrome moment, but it is my opinion if you make a routine stack, you should make the routines yourself so they are congruent and genuine to you, don't fake it till you make it, JUST MAKE IT, AND DON'T FAKE IT
Author:  Slip n Slide [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:17 am ]
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I used to have this problem. It's down to not having a genuine interest. If you are genuinely interested, and not just thinking about how to get to the close, you won't run out of stuff to say.
+1

Girls will give you things to say. Pay attention to them, to their reactions, to their personality, their word choice. Never think about how she says things (I used to have this problem of teasing girls when they'd stumble over their words) just what she's saying and how she feels about it. Try to understand where she wants herself to end up in life and try to imply the same things about yourself. DON'T BE THINKING OF THE NEXT THING TO SAY.
Author:  GeminisNext [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:01 pm ]
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Thanks guys these replies are really helpful
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DON'T BE THINKING OF THE NEXT THING TO SAY.
Harder said than done but proven to be most natural.
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Keep thinking to yourself, what's better, leaving the interaction (therefore obtaining ZERO results) or just to wing it (and have the possibility of getting results). Eventually, if you do this enough, you will know what to say, when to say it, how to say it, etc etc.
Ive been doing this all week its a lot of fun but it can be so frustrating sometimes.
Author:  GeminisNext [ Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:14 am ]
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Alright all this is good but now I ran into a different problem.How can I play this game in Manhattan,a city where its full of tourists and everyone seems to be in a rush?
Author:  Slip n Slide [ Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:22 am ]
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Alright all this is good but now I ran into a different problem.How can I play this game in Manhattan,a city where its full of tourists and everyone seems to be in a rush?
I wouldn't do street game here. Or if I did, it would be in a park or an outdoor restaurant, where the person obviously has a little time to spare. If a girl is too hot to let pass, but she's walking somewhere, I'd open, "Hey, real quick, can I get your opinion on something? So my buddy has a friend blah blah..." If at any point she complains that she has somewhere to be, I'd say "OH, my fault, I'll walk with you. It'll only take a second."
Author:  GeminisNext [ Fri Aug 12, 2011 3:10 pm ]
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[quote="Slip n Slide] Or if I did, it would be in a park or an outdoor restaurant, where the person obviously has a little time to spare. If a girl is too hot to let pass, but she's walking somewhere, I'd open, "Hey, real quick, can I get your opinion on something? So my buddy has a friend blah blah..." If at any point she complains that she has somewhere to be, I'd say "OH, my fault, I'll walk with you. It'll only take a second."[/quote]
Thats really good.Thanks!
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