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| Author: | Bromelo [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:49 am ] |
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Does Anyone have videos, blogs, articles ect on Frame Control ( both verbal and physical). These tactics are built for mid-game ( allowing isolation of target, control over the group ect.). |
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| Author: | ramlives [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:29 pm ] |
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http://www.the21convention.com/2009/09/ ... t21c-2009/ he starts talking about the subject halfway in, it has both physical and verbal indepth |
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| Author: | Bromelo [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:47 pm ] |
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Thanks a lot! Already have seen it and thought it was great stuff. Do you have any other resources ( I read the texts by Dunbar he mentions in the speech)? Thanks a lot! |
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| Author: | ramlives [ Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:43 pm ] |
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Yes, Captian Jack sends emails out from his blog list, this is one, Have you ever been Sh*t Tested in the field? I used to get sh*t tested but it hasn't happened to me in a while.Maybe because I ignore 90% of what doesn't fit my frame. Maybebecause I take control of the interaction. Not sure exactly why I don't get them much anymore. I think they originate from a women wanting to FIND OUTquickly if you've got the goods are not. Which means if you are getting them then you have probably said/donesomething that makes her wonder so she needs to check. (This is all unconscious on her part by the way.) Will you wilt in the face of a test? Or, will youexert masculine stability and "be the man" in the face ofadversity. The truth is SHE WANTS YOU TO PASS...otherwise theSh*t test wouldn't arise. It arises from DESIRE anda need to find out if you've got the goods. The true meaning of a Sh*t Test is "I AM ATTRACTED,is it real?" So, how do you overcome them? 1) Ignore them. 2) Laugh and call her "cute." 3) If you are getting similar/same ones then develop a Cocky/Playful response. 4) Throw up a hoop for her to jump through instead All fun stuff! Do you guys have specific "in-field" examples of quickly passingsh*t tests? Email them to me along with your PUA NAME and I'llcreate a big follow-up email full of them... There are over 200 PUAs on this list (as of Dec.20th), I'm surethere are some good examples out there... Possible examples:* Too old/ Too young* Bald* Not my type* mentioning your style in some derogatory way -- Captain Jack |
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| Author: | psychx [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:37 am ] |
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A common shit test I run into: "Are you gay." I usually respond with these: "To you, Yes." "Haha I'm not going to shop with you." "Want to kiss me and find out?" "You're not my type, if that's what you're asking. Why? Well we are too similar." "Where is your off button? Can't you see I'm talking to your friend (the less attractive one of your group lol)." - In general my response to SHIT tests is usually through a series of Negs. After so many negs shit tests don't even seem to occur anymore. Once the shit tests are gone, you can proceed in stacking routine. |
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| Author: | Bromelo [ Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:24 am ] |
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@psychx: I saw the list of negs and some of them are pretty solid. The post here or what I am trying to work on is either controlling the conversaiton ( how to make my frame congruent with her frame) during mid-game or using some other cues ( the video above has some great examples) during group conversation to come off as more of a focal point. Examples I may run into is: " You probably are a player?" Obviously, her frame is I am attracted to you but, am scared of your type. |
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| Author: | psychx [ Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:25 am ] |
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Quote: @psychx: I saw the list of negs and some of them are pretty solid. The post here or what I am trying to work on is either controlling the conversaiton ( how to make my frame congruent with her frame) during mid-game or using some other cues ( the video above has some great examples) during group conversation to come off as more of a focal point.
Thanks for the feedback. My negging usually is very solid, I've tested it enough lol. Also you're contradicting yourself; YOU are controlling the frame, so you don't need to align yourself congruently to anyone's frame but your own. Anyway for your situation, easy response!Examples I may run into is: " You probably are a player?" Obviously, her frame is I am attracted to you but, am scared of your type. - For Example: "You probably are a player?" - You have these responses you can do." "Stop hitting on me, you're not my type. Why? Well, because we are too similar." "Clearly you're getting the wrong idea here" *turn your back* and wait for her to reengage conversation. "Only on women who have more than their looks going for them." This one is bold: *look straight into her eyes for 2 seconds* "Yes." Then reengage a complete different DHV story off the topic of being a player completely. If you're going to go with this particular routine, make sure you don't give her a chance to respond, just go straight into the DHV story. "I thought you were interesting, and someone who could carry a real/good/interesting/decent conversation, now I know you just thought I was hitting on you. I think I'll talk to someone who is more easy going." *turn your back* and begin to act like you're about to scope the room to see where to head next, chances are she won't let you leave! "Listen I don't treat women that way. I'm tired of women thinking all men want to hit on them just because there attractive. Looks are common, I'm looking for more, and you seem shallow. What else do you have going for you other than your looks?" If she says nothing: "I thought so, I'm going to talk to your friend here." I thought up most of these off the top of my head right now. There are so many different ways you can approach these SHIT tests, just NEG NEG NEG! If she is shit testing you, she is thinking to highly of her self. After all most women get offended if we assume they're hitting on us, so we have all rights to react in the same manner. Calibrate her attraction switches, by not allowing her to test you. If you answer to her test, you are essentially jumping through her hoop! Control the frame! |
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