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Author:  Matt 2.0 [ Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:20 pm ]
Post subject:  My mid game is still too AFC...

Hi guys,
ok so i have had some success with my AA and am meeting a few new ppl and ladies.i can generally build decent rapport and my general conversational skills are on par. My biggest problem is basically this : I NEED the lady to know i'm not gonna be just another guy friend or someone she can just toss to the friendship ladder.
Even when i'm with her one on one my head is searching for something to say that will completely shatter her idea of me being another ljbf.

So give me some ammo please.Like i said i can babble on with anyone for hours,im generally very talkative,i just need some strong convo that will make her know i'm not the wallpaper she can stare at :)

So can you guys give me some tips that you use when you are in mid convo that will make her aware i'm keen to escalate.I just find it that alot of the times ive said something saucy to a lady in mid convo she will blow it off and just harp along.

Author:  Don Juan 89 [ Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:22 am ]
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The truth is there is nothing magical to say to a girl to win her over.

Your game is probably still new. The only way you will improve is to interact with more women. There is no other way.

The only way to make a lady know that you are not another guy would be to let her know she is like hundreds of other women. The only way to let her know she is like hundreds of other women is to meet hundreds of other women.

Think: You speak to 10 women every friday then another 10 every thursday or saturday if you can. That is 20 sets you can open per week. In 5 weeks thats a huge improvement for you.

"Practice makes perfect."

Author:  hekant [ Fri Aug 27, 2010 1:16 am ]
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OK, so that’s what I think. I am still new to all that stuff, though.

So you have 'decent rapport'. By that time you should have 'value', she finds you 'attractive' and she is 'comfortable' with you.

What’s next?
Touch her. Kiss her. Get her in bed.
If you do that, it should be obvious to her that you are not in the friends zone ;-)

How to touch her?
How I do kino: I bend my arms and accidentally touch her somewhere (search for 'gambler dieperfektemasche' on youtube). Also fun stuff like tickling her. Later I hold her hand, she should squeeze my hand. Often I touch her hip and belly. Next: I kiss her somewhere e.g. shoulder, neck, etc. Optionally smell her first and/or run the 'Evolution Phase Shift Routine' by Style. I take very small (e.g. micro) steps from lightly touching (elbow elbow) to kissing her neck. I always go on if I don’t get a 'red light'. And if I get a 'red light' (e.g. she pulls my hand away and turns away) I wait for a IOI (e.g. touching hair) and go on.


How to kiss her?
I go normally from the cheek- or neck-kiss to the mouth. Optionally I run a gambit 'do you want to kiss me?' or 'It’s so hard not to kiss you!' (mystery). Or I go from good-bye-cheek-kiss to regular kiss (e.g. similar to AFC Adam). If she runs away or if she keeps very big distance afterwards I take that as a NO. Other reactions I take as a green or yellow light. Really! On a 'yellow light' I go back to touching/kino and after the first IOI try again for the kiss.

Ok maybe that needs explanation: I once asked a girl 'do you want to kiss me'. She screamed 'NO!' and laughed at me. She stayed at a distance of about 3 meters or closer. I took it as a “yellow light”. I ran a jealousy plotline, kissed her again, and she fell in love with me.


How to get her in bed.
I Find a good reason to go near a bed or equivalent. I massage her shoulders, kiss her neck, regular kissing. Touch her belly in circles, move up to breasts, back to belly, move down…


I found the 'Three Seducive Characters' post by gambler very helpful. At the end, after getting positive signals, I go for kino/touching and the kiss. I take risk. Better a 'red signal' than not trying. I never got a slap or anything comparable.
Last Saturday I followed what I have written here WITHOUT TALKING FIRST to the girl and kissed her. After the kiss: 'what is you first name'? And tried to get her lastname for facebook. (I did a big timing error here and she refused however).

Improving in small steps, it’s a process.
St.

Ps: If you really want to start with convo, do some arousal talk like “on a scale of 1 to 10, how good are you as kisser”. But I think it’s better to talk less and go for touching/kino and a kiss.

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