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Author:  CaptAwesome [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:26 am ]
Post subject:  I opened, I got IOI then I hit a brick wall with my face lol
OK quick intro, I am new to the game, I have the confidence to approach, but that's about it!

1) So I saw a cute girl at Uni (or College if you're American) I opened with the jealous girl friend opener, she responded well, she was talking about being honest with his girlfriend etc, I body rocked away when she finished and she quickly started talking again which was an IOI, and then I kinda hit a wall on where to go next. I just felt if I changed topic it would be obvious I was there to hit on her? I just thanked her for her time and walked off. How do I get on to that next stage?

2) If i approach a girl who is by herself, do you still neg her? I mean I understand the concept of talking to her friend, neg'ing her and then before she can respond go back to her friend and carry on talking to create jealousy. How do you neg when it is just her by herself?

Cheers for the help fella's!
Author:  Gifted1ne [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:20 am ]
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To answer your first question you do want to change the subject you want to create attraction and comfort with a girl and talking will get the girl more comfortable with the interaction. The more you talk and change the subject the better, the interaction will be with you and the girl. You find out more about her and what interests she has so you can use that to build a day 2 or date.

You said you were body rocking and she started to talk again, was she still talking about the jealous girlfriend or did she say something else.

Answering your second question you don't always have to neg a girl, negs are mainly used when a girl is giving you a hard time, or when she is just straight being ice cold towards you.
Author:  CaptAwesome [ Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:35 pm ]
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Hey Gifted, cheers for the reply.

OK so it is fine to just change subject to something random, like so what are you studying? and then go from there. I guess I was worried about going all AFC on her and asking questions, rather than eliciting a conversation.

As for the body rocking, the conversation had stopped, there was like a 5 second pause, I went said ok cheers and kinda turned my body away a bit and took a small step back. She then just kinda then blurted out more about the jealous girlfriend thing. I felt she could have easily let it go but she re-initiated so I took that as an IOI?

ok I thought negs were a way of disqualifying yourself temporarily to disarm her bitch shield so you could build a better rapport. I see what you are saying, you only do that if you notice the bitch shiled is up that you do it.

Thanks
Author:  Spark89 [ Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:24 pm ]
Post subject:  My opinions!
Hey,

In my opinion yes you can talk about anything. Obviously this will have limits based on her personality, but to be honest if she cant interact with you on your level a relationship would be hard!? In terms of questions they are ok everynow and then within an interaction but in my experience you asking question after question makes both you and them feel deeply uncomfortable. What I like to do is say something such as "what you been up to?" them: "blah blah, you?" Me: "just finished uni, just got back from Africa" them: "oh awesome, how was that? What did you do? etc". Then you in the driving seat, they are asking you the questions and 100% of the interest is on you and you can leech off them accordingly so that they also think you afre interested in them, hence you build a relationship with them.

Secondly yes id say that was an IOI, you went away and she reeled you back in. I think Mystery described this as somethng similar to a cat with a ball of wool. Give it the ball in plays, gets bored and leaves. Bounce it in front of its face on and off, off and on and the cat goes crazy! You are the wool, you went away from the cat (pussy ha) and it wanted you back, so she said something!

Finally negs can be used in many ways, but normally they are to stop the target from thinking shes way above you. AFC's will come in and say for example wow your so georgous, let me buy you a drink. This makes her feel real good, but she knows shes better then this man because he put pussy on the pedastool! Negs are used to knock her back a bit and make her think your not like 'the other guys'. Your not going to be her petting dog.

Times not to use the beloved neg:

* when she says something bad to you- this will turn it into an argument

*when you cant think of anything better to say- this is well just lame, shell just think your a jerk!

*when the target doesnt need it i.e. if she seems like a down to earth nice girl you dont need to go in and start putting her down, again this is what fools do, not lovers!

So to summarise I think negs should be used to lower her values and to add insecuritys if shes like pretty hot, its basicaly to make her think that shes not really better then you and to make her think maybe she needs you to help her with these problems!

Hope this helps!

Spark.
Author:  Billybob44 [ Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:12 am ]
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Oh my fucking god guys, this is not biology class Do what feels right!!!! Who gives A FUCK about worrying about changing subjects and keeping a conversation with a girl? i know i dont and you shouldnt either. Just have FUN!!!!! This girl is not a fuckin frog youre dissecting, she is a human being that you should just have fun with. Girls are fuckin fun man, stop overanalyzing every interaction you have and just do what feels right.
Author:  CaptAwesome [ Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:43 am ]
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Oh my fucking god guys, this is not biology class Do what feels right!!!! Who gives A FUCK about worrying about changing subjects and keeping a conversation with a girl? i know i dont and you shouldnt either. Just have FUN!!!!! This girl is not a fuckin frog youre dissecting, she is a human being that you should just have fun with. Girls are fuckin fun man, stop overanalyzing every interaction you have and just do what feels right.
To be honest dude, if I did what I felt was right, I'd walk over to them, introduce myself, compliment them on how pretty they are and ask them questions to get to to know them better. All of which are AFC things and all the experts say are not the things to do because they lower your social value.

I am learning all about social value and how to interact better with women and so far things are going well, so yeah I am analyzing it so I learn more, get better at it and have more fun.
Author:  Invincible Virgin [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:03 am ]
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Let me start by saying getting the first step down of approaching is a great first step.

Billybob I don't quite agree with all you're saying... Yes, for those 10% who are naturals can do what "feels right" and be fairly successful. But whether it's a bio test or football... no matter how much natural talent you have you have to practice and do a little work.

On the flipside CaptAwesome, Billybob thinks you're and to an extent you are but here's I think you can improve. Having "fun" is good but a more detailed response of how to do this is:

There's no problem changing the subject but to subtly change the subject w/o the awkwardness/making it obvious your hitting on her... OBSERVE. Starting out, it is really easy to get caught in the moment of already being sort of nervous of approaching and mind racing of how to continue the conversation.
Take a deep breath really OBSERVE/LISTEN to what she's saying
(I'm not familiar with the jealous girl opener... I don't really use canned openers... so I can't give an example sorry).
I like to open with observations and from there you can really connect and make conversation.
So from observing her response you should possibly have a follow up question whether it is about your opener or something else.

To not be boring and ask a million questions use your observations and instead of asking questions about them make statement.
Ex: Instead of "Where are you from?" you can say, "So, you look like an Italian girl"... she says "How'd you know," "Not too many British girls have beautiful tan skin like that" w/e in all honesty it doesn't matter than much bc...

The BIGGEST thing I think you can improve on is body language and Kino as conversations progress. These things are more important than anything you say.
I'm not at this point but the further along you get and the more PUAs you see I think you'll begin to understand.

I'd challenge you to go out and work on anchoring

Also the Kino escalation ladder is s great tool as you proceed to all parts of the pickup.
Author:  jairey [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:28 am ]
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Yeah,I am glad to be here,I like them very much.thank you for your post.
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