PUA Forum :: Left after a dumb argument

What was your goal in telling her something like this? I don't have a problem with you having your personal opinions, but I assume that if you were on a date with a girl then you are likely trying to close her. If this was the case, giving any opinion on any type of people isn't really leading you to that outcome. If however, you want to get rid of her quick and that was your outcome, then you did exactly that.

umm I usually always tell people what I really think as I am not afraid of people's opinion on my beliefs or thoughts. Aswell I thought that would show confidence by keeping my point and sticking to my own opinions instead of nodding and saying that she's right.

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Also, consider what she was thinking. Likely she was not like "Oh this guy is so hot he will tell me whatever is on his mind." But more along the lines of "Damn that is judgmental as hell." One of the things women have a really hard time with is judgmental men. Ex: She tells you she has fantasized about two guys, will you be like the guy in her life that judges and calls her a slut for this? Most do. When you don't judge, she opens up more to you.

To start off I'm 17 and a pretty good looking guy who aspires to become a pua.

Can approach any girl but I'm a total zero when it comes to dating.

Basically, on the first date with a girl when the conversation wasn't going too well (small talk) I started using tests like ESP and some magic coin tricks to make date fun and very interesting. It went down perfectly as I guessed her number 7 and my magic tricks went perfectly well. We had some great time till he asked me out of nowhere what was my opinion on gay people. I told her the truth which is that I hate gay people and I think it's something out of ordinary ( no offense meant to anyone it's a personal opinion). She got super mad right away and started talking some bullshit about how I should like them and that what I said was an insult right in her face because she likes gay people and all that stuff. Next thing I told her was " Fine, I don't and will never like them" and walked away. I decided to not see that girl anymore as she is super childish making a big deal out of nothing but I wonder if I did the right thing by walking away.

Any opinions appreciated.
Thanks

As a future reference though stay away from a few subjects:
- Politics
- Religion
- Gay rights

but it's much better to say something like "It's up to them what they do, but I like women too much. Why, were you thinking I'm too good to be true and I must be either taken or gay?" just turn it into teasing and banter.

What about the Vulnerability theory and all the teachings of "Standing up for yourself" that has been taught from day one in PUA theory ??

Personally I wouldn't put up with a girl if she's too egoistic to understand that I can have a different opinion than hers. Even if she asked me to sleep with her right away , not even then. But that would just be me.
Putting up with her shit would be another form of Neediness in my opinion. But again it depends on whats your first priority; your values or getting laid.

Author:	Ambit1oN [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:03 am ]
Post subject:	Left after a dumb argument
To start off I'm 17 and a pretty good looking guy who aspires to become a pua. Can approach any girl but I'm a total zero when it comes to dating. Basically, on the first date with a girl when the conversation wasn't going too well (small talk) I started using tests like ESP and some magic coin tricks to make date fun and very interesting. It went down perfectly as I guessed her number 7 and my magic tricks went perfectly well. We had some great time till he asked me out of nowhere what was my opinion on gay people. I told her the truth which is that I hate gay people and I think it's something out of ordinary ( no offense meant to anyone it's a personal opinion). She got super mad right away and started talking some bullshit about how I should like them and that what I said was an insult right in her face because she likes gay people and all that stuff. Next thing I told her was " Fine, I don't and will never like them" and walked away. I decided to not see that girl anymore as she is super childish making a big deal out of nothing but I wonder if I did the right thing by walking away. Any opinions appreciated. Thanks

Author:	DW-Heart-Charmer [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:46 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Left after a dumb argument
What was your goal in telling her something like this? I don't have a problem with you having your personal opinions, but I assume that if you were on a date with a girl then you are likely trying to close her. If this was the case, giving any opinion on any type of people isn't really leading you to that outcome. If however, you want to get rid of her quick and that was your outcome, then you did exactly that.

Author:	Ambit1oN [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:15 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Left after a dumb argument
Quote: What was your goal in telling her something like this? I don't have a problem with you having your personal opinions, but I assume that if you were on a date with a girl then you are likely trying to close her. If this was the case, giving any opinion on any type of people isn't really leading you to that outcome. If however, you want to get rid of her quick and that was your outcome, then you did exactly that. umm I usually always tell people what I really think as I am not afraid of people's opinion on my beliefs or thoughts. Aswell I thought that would show confidence by keeping my point and sticking to my own opinions instead of nodding and saying that she's right. However,I think you are right and I should of just kept things to myself as my goal was closing on her. Goal > details Thanks a lot for your opinion.

Author:	DW-Heart-Charmer [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Left after a dumb argument
Quote: umm I usually always tell people what I really think as I am not afraid of people's opinion on my beliefs or thoughts. Aswell I thought that would show confidence by keeping my point and sticking to my own opinions instead of nodding and saying that she's right. Not a bad way of thinking, but I am sure you would rather something that leads to your outcome rather than not. This was also was a question where she probably didn't care about much of your opinion as well. Likely you could have started with a leading question that got her to talk about her views instead which is probably what she would have been happy to do all the same. Also, consider what she was thinking. Likely she was not like "Oh this guy is so hot he will tell me whatever is on his mind." But more along the lines of "Damn that is judgmental as hell." One of the things women have a really hard time with is judgmental men. Ex: She tells you she has fantasized about two guys, will you be like the guy in her life that judges and calls her a slut for this? Most do. When you don't judge, she opens up more to you.

Author:	Ambit1oN [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:43 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Left after a dumb argument
Quote: Quote: Also, consider what she was thinking. Likely she was not like "Oh this guy is so hot he will tell me whatever is on his mind." But more along the lines of "Damn that is judgmental as hell." One of the things women have a really hard time with is judgmental men. Ex: She tells you she has fantasized about two guys, will you be like the guy in her life that judges and calls her a slut for this? Most do. When you don't judge, she opens up more to you. That interaction as well as your reply taught me a bunch of lessons 1. If you wanna close keep personal beliefs for yourself 2.Let her talk instead and listen to her opinions 3. Don't judge thanks alot man for your valuable help wish you best

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Author:	R.C [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:27 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Left after a dumb argument
Quote: To start off I'm 17 and a pretty good looking guy who aspires to become a pua. Can approach any girl but I'm a total zero when it comes to dating. Basically, on the first date with a girl when the conversation wasn't going too well (small talk) I started using tests like ESP and some magic coin tricks to make date fun and very interesting. It went down perfectly as I guessed her number 7 and my magic tricks went perfectly well. We had some great time till he asked me out of nowhere what was my opinion on gay people. I told her the truth which is that I hate gay people and I think it's something out of ordinary ( no offense meant to anyone it's a personal opinion). She got super mad right away and started talking some bullshit about how I should like them and that what I said was an insult right in her face because she likes gay people and all that stuff. Next thing I told her was " Fine, I don't and will never like them" and walked away. I decided to not see that girl anymore as she is super childish making a big deal out of nothing but I wonder if I did the right thing by walking away. Any opinions appreciated. Thanks Although I support gay rights I see no problem here. You did the right thing standing by your opinions even if I personally don't agree with them. If you have character traits she can't live with then that's pretty much her problem. People are very diverse and complex, you can't take shit like this personally. As a future reference though stay away from a few subjects: - Politics - Religion - Gay rights

Author:	Style981 [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:06 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Left after a dumb argument
Quote: What was your goal in telling her something like this? I don't have a problem with you having your personal opinions, but I assume that if you were on a date with a girl then you are likely trying to close her. If this was the case, giving any opinion on any type of people isn't really leading you to that outcome. If however, you want to get rid of her quick and that was your outcome, then you did exactly that. What about the Vulnerability theory and all the teachings of "Standing up for yourself" that has been taught from day one in PUA theory ?? Personally I wouldn't put up with a girl if she's too egoistic to understand that I can have a different opinion than hers. Even if she asked me to sleep with her right away , not even then. But that would just be me. Putting up with her shit would be another form of Neediness in my opinion. But again it depends on whats your first priority; your values or getting laid.

Author:	J.Daniels [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Left after a dumb argument
Quote: As a future reference though stay away from a few subjects: - Politics - Religion - Gay rights This. I already do this, because: First one bores me and I know nothing about it (I know that's my problem, but it is what it is.) Second one doesn't exist and I find it mindblowing, that so many people believe in these characters. "Faith by definition is to believe in something without any evidence, and I don't do that... because I'm not an idiot" lol Third one I've got quite a negative opinion too. I know gay people and I'm ok with them individually, but there's no need for a guy to run around acting like a woman "OH HUN THAT'S FABULOUS!" ...you're trying to attract a guy who likes men, so you pretend to be a woman? It's not the gay thing that I dislike, it's the camp thing. I discriminate in a lot of ways and I really wish I didn't, cause it really shows an uneducated mind.But again it is what it is. When I get asked something like what she asked you, I'd think about why she's asking. Lets say it's something like: 1. She's really passionate about gay rights etc - you'll never get a good reaction by instantly saying you dislike gay people in that situation 2. She has this gay friend who you "just have to meet" - again, bad reaction. 3. She passionately hates gays and everything about them - good job, you said the exact right thing Lol seriously though, chances are it'd offend her if she's bringing gay people up. There's nothing wrong with not changing your opinion to match hers, but it's much better to say something like "It's up to them what they do, but I like women too much. Why, were you thinking I'm too good to be true and I must be either taken or gay?" just turn it into teasing and banter.

Author:	Ambit1oN [ Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:42 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Left after a dumb argument
Quote: but it's much better to say something like "It's up to them what they do, but I like women too much. Why, were you thinking I'm too good to be true and I must be either taken or gay?" just turn it into teasing and banter. Awesome idea man, should think of something like that next time. Thanks alot!!

Author:	DW-Heart-Charmer [ Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:36 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Left after a dumb argument
Quote: What about the Vulnerability theory and all the teachings of "Standing up for yourself" that has been taught from day one in PUA theory ?? I understand what you are saying here and I think this comes from a place of "be yourself, no matter if she likes you or not." I do agree with this and that is why if I was the OP and had these beliefs I would change the subject or find a way to use it to my advantage rather than my detriment. I think there is a difference that you are looking at that is being yourself vs. changing yourself for the girl. People are not going to reveal themselves on the first date and you don't have to. I would much rather tell her all my opinions after I know who she is and she has some kind of context to judge them in. Is this being someone else for her or presenting your best self to her? Quote: Personally I wouldn't put up with a girl if she's too egoistic to understand that I can have a different opinion than hers. Even if she asked me to sleep with her right away , not even then. But that would just be me. Putting up with her shit would be another form of Neediness in my opinion. But again it depends on whats your first priority; your values or getting laid. It's interesting you say this. Why would you look for such qualities in a woman you would only sleep with? Seems right that if you are a selective man you would be able to disqualify her from a potential gf, but I also have to wonder how you could decide this so quickly after knowing her. Keep in mind it takes a long time to know who a woman truly is and that is usually after many times in sex.

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