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| Author: | jsnow570 [ Sat Jul 26, 2014 2:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Stuck in the middle |
Hey, So I just came back from a two month long trip in Europe. It was a graduation trip with a good friend and my first time in Europe so gaming wasn't a priority. That being said, we still went out basically every night and opened 5 or 6 sets during the day... but no actual pulls. In two month of travel, with lots of very open sets, no closes... Here are what I think the problems are and I would appreciate any feedback you guys can give me. Basically I open with something pretty straight forward such as hmmm, you are pretty cute whats your name. Sometimes when the situation works I would do an indirect approach like are you guys cannadians, germans, etc. The set will ususally ask where I'm from what do I do etc, and I will usually ask her to guess, joke about her usually asian answer (i look like a stereotypical nice asian guy) etc. I ususally do some Kino at this point, gentle tap on the shoulder etc. one line i use a lot is how my heart beats really fast for her, she feels my chest, I do the same to her, etc. But here is the problem, I don't run out of things to say, the girls are laughing and joking around, but I don't have attraction. According to Mystery, i have the open and the stimulus but I don't have the attraction. I didn't tie the fun to me, but how the hell do I do that? I'm a pretty logical guy so I have expereimented with different models, routines, etc. but to no success. It all just get to the point where I can tell they are having fun but there is no attraction. Its a wall that seems to have a tangible presence for me that I can't get across. As a newbie I think I'm playing too much into the Asian stereotype? As a side note this only happens with white girls as I don't have any problem with Asian girls. (funny thing is if she is really white washed same problem) Any help or suggestion will be greatly appreciated thanks. |
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| Author: | GhostMan [ Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stuck in the middle |
Mate, if you open the way you do and they stick around and are curious about you and want to talk to you, you have the attraction. You just maintain it by being congruent with your opener by staying confident, sure of yourself, open and honest about your intentions and what not. It would be my guess that your real issue is that you're not leading the interaction enough down the right path where sex happens. In other words, it would be my guess you're not pulling because you're either not trying to pull, you're not planning the pull enough (logistics aren't good, not thinking about the end game) OR perhaps after the opener you are playing it too safe, not turning her on or being sexual. Obviously you don't have to finger her or anything, but she has to be able to imagine you as a guy that's going to fuck her that night. I hope I was clear enough to understand, I am a bit tired |
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| Author: | Black Phantom [ Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stuck in the middle |
Let me give you a type of an answer. GIVING yourself completely = KILLING ATTRACTION Based on what you've said in your message, I sense that what you do is you see a girl, walk over there and basically say, "I am ALREADY yours, and you don't have to do much to be with me. In fact, you probably can't screw it up with me even if you wanted to. I am just here and available, waiting for you to accept me." You are definitely killing attraction, and putting yourself in the friend zone. IF you want to create attraction, you need to put something to the mix to what you're doing right now. The thing that is missing from your mix is TEASING. So instead of just saying "Wow you are really cute what's your name...." Say, "Wow you're really cute, too bad you're not my type..." or "You are really cute, too bad you're not blonde you'd be definitely my type..." Get it? You need to give her a CHANCE to work for you, to prove herself to you and to want to chase you. If you chase a cat, she will run even if you have food for her. Don't chase the cat, don't chase the woman so much. Give her a chance to chase you. Hope this helps, ask if you need more clarification. |
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| Author: | oceanx [ Sat Jul 26, 2014 8:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stuck in the middle |
It feels like you were "performing" and running "pickup routines" to groups as opposed to trying to form a connection one on one with an individual girl. Form a connection by your eye contact, kino, voice tonality. Operate from the mentality of being a suave 1-on-1 seducer more than a 1-to-many performer. Go in with the mindframe that you are the prize; that women love getting with you; and that any woman is very fortunate that you are paying attention to her. |
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| Author: | jsnow570 [ Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Stuck in the middle |
Thanks guys, I'm going to try what you guys suggested tonight and see where it goes. |
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