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Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
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Author:  Violinist [ Fri Jan 03, 2014 9:04 am ]
Post subject:  Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
Hi mates. I went out on Christmas Eve with some friends and it was a really cool night. We met some girl friends of my buddy and I caught their attention quickly (isolating my target). After some DHV stuff and negging them I started talking with my target.

I escalated kino slowly at first (touching shoulder to emphasize and waist sometimes). After some talk and building some more confidence I got her number and left with my friends.

However, we met them again in another bar afterwards (30 min later) so I talked to everyone but her. But at some point I started talking to her again and after more DHV she started saying that I was PERFECT and that I was AMAZING because she never knew a guy like me before (I am spanish-british and I tend to be chatty and a GENTLEMAN with girls in spain because every other guy just knows pulling being a douchebag or being drunk).

Afterwards we went to a club (but with everybody from our group). I whispered to her ear "dance with me" (being our friends in front) and she said "I don't feel like now. I usually get too crazy". So I punished her a little going away and dancing with others. She had to go I gave her two kisses (as it's tradition in Spain) and that was all.

I texted her today: Hey I had a fantastic time last night. I hope to see you again once I am back ;D
5 min later
Her answer has been: I had loads of fun too! Once I am back I hope to see you again it's a pleasure to find NICE people :). (This is a close translation it doesn't sound as formal XD).

A guy told me also that one friend of mine (he was next to us in the club o.O) is her exboyfriend.

I know I screwed up and I don't care I was just practicing but where?
Author:  LongSimple [ Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
From what I read, you messed up in the second club.. You probably didn't run a good game when changing venues, you could have also re framed what she said, "Too crazy "sarcastically", what, you don't like to have fun?", there is also a chance it wasn't you she could have also been having feelings for her ex.
Author:  Violinist [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
Quote:
From what I read, you messed up in the second club.. You probably didn't run a good game when changing venues, you could have also re framed what she said, "Too crazy "sarcastically", what, you don't like to have fun?"

Very good answer I will try to have my ears prepared for listening to opportunities like that one.
Author:  detox75 [ Tue Jan 07, 2014 7:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
Do you get friend zoned a lot? You seem like you have a very academic approach to PUA which isnt inherently bad for a beg/intermediate but I suspect you are undermining everything you are doing right by being low value and SPAM all your status. However what I am saying is based on if this is a pattern or this was just an aberration.?
Author:  LongSimple [ Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
Quote:
Do you get friend zoned a lot? You seem like you have a very academic approach to PUA which isnt inherently bad for a beg/intermediate but I suspect you are undermining everything you are doing right by being low value and SPAM all your status. However what I am saying is based on if this is a pattern or this was just an aberration.?
Agreed... tell us more?
Author:  Violinist [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
Yes you are completely right haha I consider myself a beginner I started with all the pua thing like 3 months ago :D (I am 19 and at uni).

Answering your question yes I usually and used to get frienzoned a lot and have oneitis. Since I started I have read the Game by styles and I started using openers,negs... which have been working very good. I have become very good at phone closing but I find it hard to move from there because usually I haven't build enough attraction.

any recommendations?
Author:  Adamsavagge [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
I'm in the same boat. I have always been a nice guy. I can open and talk to woman but always end up in the friend zone. But a little negging has helped. But I'm still falling back to my old ways. I've been playing with kino and it's not working on the latest. She does it back to me but still no kiss close. Wah wah.
Author:  Nairobi [ Thu Jan 09, 2014 3:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
The stereotypical 'nice guy' isn't actually nice; he just appears so because he tries to win the girl's affections by being her puppy. He's not actually nice, because he wouldn't be doing things for her - such as giving lifts etc - if it weren't for his deluded belief that it will get him in her knickers.

There is nothing wrong - and everything right! - with being nice to women. But they have to know that you put yourself first. Hell, you can even be chivalric and get out and open a car door for a girl, as long as it's obvious that you did it because it's a standard you set for yourself, not just something you did for her.
Author:  Violinist [ Fri Jan 10, 2014 1:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
More advices?
Author:  Karlb [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
The difference can be seen between Ross from Friends and James Bond. It's being indifferent while not acting like a d-bag.

I used to be a nice guy. I was also a wuss-bag. That doesn't attract women, as is common knowledge.

How did I get where I am now? I spent YEARS working on my inner-game. I became confident and learned to love who I am as a person. And when you do that, women will notice and you'll pass their little tests by default.

It's a beautiful thing.
Author:  helsinkiplayboy [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
Oh dude, by the sound of that, I wouldnt judge you came off being too much "niceguy" Keep on texting her and try to set day 2.

Even if girls say you're NICE doesnt mean you fall immediatly in friendzone. She gave you compliment overthere, now you just have to play it well. In your situation I would defenetly meet her and try to get the thing to next level.
Author:  Digital_Spy [ Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
So in your fucked up, egotistical, little world of ME ME ME you punished her? You my friend are playing head games which will get you nowhere. How dare you think you are entitled to PUNISH her just because she wouldn't dance with you or whatever the hell it was she didn't DO for good ole wonderful YOU.

Get over yourself you fucking, little prick. No one deserves to be punished just because they don't go along with what YOU WANT. Christ you guys are so full of yourselves and controlling. Why not buy a puppet and pull the strings yourselves? That way it'll do everything you want and you can live happily ever after.

Your attitude towards girls, the stupid abbreviations and dumb ass negging, opening, closing, blah blah blah phrases make you all sound like you're about 10 fucking years old. No wonder you fail so miserably and get nowhere. You treat girls as objects who have to play YOUR game, say and do what YOU WANT them to do. They can't even be themselves without you lot bitching about them because they are not reacting the way YOU WANT them too. Such assholes with no clue whatsoever.
Author:  Violinist [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
Digital Spy I am sorry if you didn't understand the hole thing... I just said that I usually get friendzoned. Do you really think that any of the guys that have been in that situation treated women as an object?

By the way people use those terms not because they think is science we use it because it lets you abbreviate. If I have to say that I went away a little so that she missed me for a short period of time instead of I punished her, mi post would be gigantic (it already is so imagine how it would end XD)

However, sorry if I wrote something that got on your nerves since I was just trying to describe my situation
Author:  Anfernee [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
Digital Spy, what's your problem? Why are you even here then?
Are you sure you're even a man? You sound like a frustrated bitch.
Author:  Adamsavagge [ Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is the line between GENTLEMAN and NICEGUY?
Digital Spy = troll
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