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| Author: | King Shao [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | awesome fun date, she comes to my bedroom, LMR!! |
I'm not sure what to think about this, basically been texting this girl alot, really solid humour and mind chemistry goiing. I managed to get her to invite herself out with me and my super cool cousin. We got really drunk at my house watching really cool music videos and we were touching and kinoing, but she's not throwkng herself at me yet. She is highly intelligent (double major) but has great sense of humor. Anyways we go downtown to the one club open on Christmas day, Ans dance like maniacs and have good time, I danced with her and started a break dance circle so it was lots of fun. We came back to my house, there was three of us right, and my cousin (super pua) started passing out on the couch, was at his feet because I was standing up talking.. Here is where the shit tests started. I was talking just sitting there,and I was late, so I balled up and took her hand and led her to my bed room. I was drunk and usually at this point getting a make pout going is super easy, but she resisted my invitations to kiss, usually I smell her hair a bit and move in, but she turns the other way, and stats sayingsome bs. Then it was like war, who wants who most and where's the power. My failed make out attempt really hurt the (made me seem too needy) mood but I stayed cool, more or less and didn't push her anymore. Also she was fully clothed.... eventually I turned away from her and started texting some other chick I know likes me, and she turns back to face me... I get a response, laugh, put the phone away and take her hand in mine, and we just talked till we fell asleep.. We were super hung over the next day and lief in bed together till the afternoon talking... Talking too much always hurts me as forget my humourous dhv stories when i'm hung over, but again we were hand in hand and realy starting to connect.... I drove her home and asked her out for sushi, she was like maybe in week(brutal) lol, but I kept my cool again and said sure, going to need to recover anyways.... we're texting like all day with jokes and word play to this day, she loves texting. I am going to see her new years for a party, this girl is smart and I know she likes me...(i'm a musician, she comes to all my shows), but she was asking me things like "what are your intentions?" And saying things like "your moves aren't working", really trying to destroy my confidence when we were in bed together, I always kept my cool I just said what moves? And "i'm not doing anything!?" she was in a fucked up relationship (guy publicly cheated on her) that ended a week ago so I suspect she's protecting her emotions, so LMR, is a big issue, she lets me lead her into situations where it's obvious w could start kissing, do I just keep building comfort? I want to draw her into me... Should I feign disinterest for a while? We are going to see each other at a new years party, any tips would be great... basically kino escalation into isolation to LMR destruction is what I need help with.,. |
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| Author: | detox75 [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:05 pm ] |
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I think your understanding of game is very good, unfortunately you failed to correctly implement your sound design, and now you are pretty much on a fail trajectory for reasons that are clear to you as you are no noob. I would freeze her out and re-engage just as you planned, however I would put your chances of ever being with this girl at less then 25% as you ruined your first and best chance. The point is stay strong and don't do this again. Good luck. |
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| Author: | Jakely [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Time |
I think you need to give her some time to process what she has been through. Just text her from time to time, just casual. Also present yourself as higher value because I think she wants you to chase her, probably because her ex-bf embarassed her, so she wants to feel strong again. I suggest you let her feel like you care less about her then she cares about you. (Don't be rude to her, be nice) |
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| Author: | King Shao [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:34 pm ] |
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Thank you for the sound advice, I was thinking a freeze out is necessary as well, but the daily texting is extremely fun I'll edit this post on my computer with some highlights. |
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| Author: | detox75 [ Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:34 pm ] |
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cool sounds like you got it handled. In these cases where I fuck up, and I still do too much, I just double down on the sexual escalation, so it sounds like you have some nice sexting going, that's a good plan. |
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| Author: | King Shao [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:43 am ] |
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Hmmm ok I'm gonna freeze out see how long she goes before contacting me..How long should I wait? A day or so? I don't want to make it seem like I'm ignoring her... |
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| Author: | Domr [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: awesome fun date, she comes to my bedroom, LMR!! |
You need to be more sexually aggressive. Get kisses on the date and by the time your in the bed room it should be clear what your intentions are. My guess is you are not saying shit "omg look what you are doing to me" (while placing her hand on your crouch) etc. "your moves aren't working" - "i'm not doing anything!? buys into her frame - something as simple as "ya your right, it's not working" would be a sufficient reframe and continue plowing through. |
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| Author: | detox75 [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:09 pm ] |
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I like what domer said about framing correctly but i'm not a believer of the conventional kino escalation of: Quote: Get kisses on the date
I find this actually diffuses sexual tension unless done perfectly, I always way to isolate in my house before I escalate. But this is a very debatable fact.
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| Author: | Domr [ Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:08 pm ] |
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Quote: I like what domer said about framing correctly but i'm not a believer of the conventional kino escalation of:
I'd say it depends on the situation; calibration accordingly. Quote: Get kisses on the date
I find this actually diffuses sexual tension unless done perfectly, I always way to isolate in my house before I escalate. But this is a very debatable fact.Here they are meeting up AGAIN and it's a "date" therefore I'd say no kissing is a HUGE escalation barrier. Assuming you frame the interaction correctly sex should be the last course for dinner hence it replaces kissing for tension. |
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| Author: | King Shao [ Wed Dec 28, 2011 2:55 am ] |
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I like the idea of being more aggressive, however, I believe she's enjoying the attention from me a bit too much, convo today: After a bunch of humorous sexual texting, I said hey I got to get back to work here, Her: you can't stop talking to me, i'm irresistible Me after 20 mins: lol you wish! Her: I don't have to wish for something that's already true! Haha Me: lol if only you knew... Her: and what is that supposed to mean? freeze out for a day or two? I like this girl, but she needs to know who's boss, without me blatantly saying it... she needs to know i'm not going to put up with this shit, and i'm in control... Want to not be a douche bag about it though... I haven't responded cause i'm a bit offended she thinks she has so much power, like I said before she was embarrassed by her ex, so she's obviously rebuilding her confidence, and she's trying to manipulate me. All her friends and her sister find me attractive I know for a fact and I'm not sure this is am advantage. Don't want to be tool here lol... She already took me for a ride once... Plan of action? |
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| Author: | detox75 [ Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:08 am ] |
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ya your doing well, just control the frame and end the interactions first more often then she does. Leave her wanting more. |
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| Author: | Domr [ Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:39 am ] |
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Quote: I like the idea of being more aggressive, however, I believe she's enjoying the attention from me a bit too much, convo today:
DITCH THAT MINDSET ASAP. I lost a girl because I got too obsessed with value and getting carried away with NOT giving her emotional validation. Even if it's true she's enjoying the attention don't bother thinking about it. Just focus on your goal i.e. sex.Don't want to be tool here lol... She already took me for a ride once... Plan of action? If you want to reframe you admit it, being truthful usually works pretty well. "ya look at you, you're enjoying all this attention, what would you ever do without me". |
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