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RIGHT AFTER THE OPENER: BUILDING ATTRACTION
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Author:  Lucky Gold [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:47 pm ]
Post subject:  RIGHT AFTER THE OPENER: BUILDING ATTRACTION
Hey guys I've been studying game for about a year now and my game is getting pretty solid but my main problem is that attraction building phase.

You wanna stay on the opener no longer than about 1 min after you open a set. Than you want to start building attraction through the use of cold reads or DHV stories. That's where I'm stuck.

The two most well known puas in the world, Neil Strauss and Mystery each had a speciality routine that they used in every single set that made them successful.
Neil Strauss had the best friends test.
Mystery had his magic and ESP number tests.
I need something like that will help me quickly build attraction.

What do you guys do right after your opener to build attraction?
Author:  detox75 [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:16 pm ]
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Your talking about what mystery calls "A2", which is likely the hardest part of outer game. You need a routine stack consisting of storytelling, push-pull, negs, kokology, palm sign reading, nested loops, etc. All kinds of stuff, hopefully your own material. This is a crutch until you can build attraction without material. I dont recommend you use Mystery's stuff, its overexposed.
Author:  Ch1mera [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:07 pm ]
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Depends how you opened! For example, last saturday I opened a HB9 with "You're FIT!" with a wink then turned away and continued dancing with my friends. She was turning round every minute or so to get a glance at me so I walked up to her and said "You know it's rude to stare! Instead of staring why don't you come dance? I promise I don't bite.. unless you're into that kind of thing" with a genuine smile.
Value = the currency of attraction. The opener showed I had a lot of confidence; confidence is a strong DHV! However this was liable to put her into bitch-shield mode so I used "I promise I don't bite" with a kind smile to build a bit of comfort. She was resisting so I turned to her friend and said "Is she always this shy or only around guys she finds attractive?" after which she was all over me.

Summary: I DHV by having a large circle of friends, being confident and not giving a fuck when they shit test me thus being challenging - another DHV, instead creating tension with natural C&F game - it's just who I am.

P.S Try to move away from strict routines! Have a few DHV stories in "reserve", instead focus on understanding the fundamental principles of attraction: social value - challenge, humour, frame control. Routines are a temporary solution to getting laid, understanding the game is only viable permanent solution.
Author:  Marc [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: RIGHT AFTER THE OPENER: BUILDING ATTRACTION
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Hey guys I've been studying game for about a year now and my game is getting pretty solid but my main problem is that attraction building phase.
......... What do you guys do right after your opener to build attraction?
How is a your game Solid if you are having problems in building any attraction?

And who says your opener should be for 1 min only?

When you start talking to a girl and she is responding, hold good eye contact, speak slowly with a good posture. A strong eye contact and good projection of your voice would automatically raise your attraction level.

If she is attracted to you she would continue to hold your eye contact and ofcourse the other things such as running her hand through her hair, tilting her body towards you, toe in your direction, scratching her shoulder or even talking with a nervous tone.

All that cold reading and hand reading is fine - but you dont want to come across as a Guru from India !

An opener is nothing more than an ice breaker - and if you complement on her dress or jewelry she would like to talk about it for longer than 1 min - may be 5 too, speaking from experience. All this gives you the time to correct your posture and frame.
Author:  tenonine [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:01 pm ]
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If you can read palms, play games and do magic tricks without feeling like a gigantic douche, go for it. But personally, I wouldn't want to win a girl that way. Plus, it seems needy, like a freakin' court jester dancing in front of king but fearing at any moment the king will press a button and the floor will drop out.

Put it another way, can you imagine Don Draper or James Bond meeting a girl this way?

Marc's advice is good about eye contact and posture, but I think your problems go deeper than that: You're bashful about your sexual interest.

This is my theory about most of the guys who cling to Mystery's material.

Drop the pretense and be more sexually honest. You don't have to say something dirty, but with the right voice tone and body language, plus kino, she'll know exactly what you want.

If you must take a PUA lesson, then check out Gambler's kino escalation material. He's the best at building attraction. But I think you could benefit from inner game work the most, especially if it's by someone familiar with the PUA universe. The best I've found is Mark Manson's "Models: A Comprehensive Guide to Attracting Women."
Author:  detox75 [ Wed Dec 21, 2011 9:35 pm ]
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there is a time to go caveman(60 YoC) and there is a time to coquette (Mystery). Most people will have success with a balanced approach. Adherence to the extremes of either school, in the strict sense as a catch all for good game, seems a little suspect to me.
Author:  xfxxl [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:01 am ]
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Depends how you opened! For example, last saturday I opened a HB9 with "You're FIT!" with a wink then turned away and continued dancing with my friends. She was turning round every minute or so to get a glance at me so I walked up to her and said "You know it's rude to stare! Instead of staring why don't you come dance? I promise I don't bite.. unless you're into that kind of thing" with a genuine smile.
Value = the currency of attraction. The opener showed I had a lot of confidence; confidence is a strong DHV! However this was liable to put her into bitch-shield mode so I used "I promise I don't bite" with a kind smile to build a bit of comfort. She was resisting so I turned to her friend and said "Is she always this shy or only around guys she finds attractive?" after which she was all over me.

Summary: I DHV by having a large circle of friends, being confident and not giving a fuck when they shit test me thus being challenging - another DHV, instead creating tension with natural C&F game - it's just who I am.

P.S Try to move away from strict routines! Have a few DHV stories in "reserve", instead focus on understanding the fundamental principles of attraction: social value - challenge, humour, frame control. Routines are a temporary solution to getting laid, understanding the game is only viable permanent solution.
hi i'm sorry but what is the meaning of FIT in this context?

Because i'm from the netherlands, is "FIT" being in good shape or .... ?
Author:  se16 [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:26 pm ]
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fit = sexually attractive
Author:  xfxxl [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:29 pm ]
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fit = sexually attractive
Owww , Is there a other synonym for "FIT" , that i can translate to dutch and use it here in The Netherlands :D
Author:  Juggler2.0 [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 6:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Rofl
Fit = In shape. That was it.

It's a term literally meaning Physically Trained, appearing Capable.

And btw, Ch1mera, I like that, Very confident, Very forward pointed. Shows intent immediately without Desire. Nice. I myself will never ever Wink. But I agree with your theory on value.
Author:  xfxxl [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Rofl
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Fit = In shape. That was it.

It's a term literally meaning Physically Trained, appearing Capable.

And btw, Ch1mera, I like that, Very confident, Very forward pointed. Shows intent immediately without Desire. Nice. I myself will never ever Wink. But I agree with your theory on value.
Ok , can you really say that as a compliment? :p
Author:  Lucky Gold [ Wed Dec 28, 2011 7:00 am ]
Post subject:  thanks
Thanks for the advice guys, I'm actually a paid stand-up comedian, so most of the girls I attract are through my sense of humor. I go to a huge party school and getting girls here isn't all that difficult, just very competitive since all the guys here are all very good looking, in shape, and have amazing natural game.
So I was just looking for an edge above these guys by preparing an attraction building routine.

The reason why I feel like having a routine to consistently use is because it just gets you away from the usual talk: where are you from, how old are you, who do you know?
And I felt like if I had a routine I consistently used then I would know exactly how to respond back to whatever the HB says.

Or is mid game just better to wing on the spot and rehearse getting good at thinking on my feet? If that's it, then honestly once you read a few basic pua books (the game, double your dating, mystery method, 60 years challenge) I guess it all comes down to practicing and getting good on my feet??
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