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Author:  SeductMe [ Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Friendzone lander

Yea that's what i always used to hear "just friends" but i got this handled and i never get into friendzone anymore.

But lately I've been gaming this chick that i met her at a party, but i was in a hurry so i just talk to her 5min and she gave me her facebook.

After then i was chatting with her for couple days, got her number and called her, she was sending lot's of IOI's and since she's a teenager living with her parent's she couldn't go out whenever she wanted and her parents are very protective, so we agreed that she will call me when she goes out, she told me that more likely she goes out on weekends. this is the 4th weekend and she never called, but we always talk on facebook, like 30min every 2-3 days.

I always end conversation. i'm always in control, not needy, showed some IOI's, always the prize, maybe i teased her too hard for an hb7 but she always in happy mood when talking to me, and oh she's always negging me so hard, but i do neg her even more when she does that!, but i noticed her attraction has tuned down comparing to what it was before. i couldn't sexualize enough over facebook.

Today she sent me a Brother-Sister demand on facebook. which surprised me!! i mean, i finally decided to make this girl my girlfriend since were both attracted to each other.Can you imagine how frustrated this can be? at first she sent me a Father-Sister, i replied with "Oh i had a kid and i didn't know about it :p" then she changed it back to brother-sister in like 3 sec, i was so confused.
i was thinking like a psycho, but thought that maybe it's just a shit test that sometimes girls call guys "brother" "Pal" "Buddy" "friend", but can you beleive that we knew each other 6 weeks ago. and what she sent is a permanent state that will always be there, not just a word she said.

I played cool, and she was just as before she didn't changed nor called me brother in any other way. i couter attacked her by calling her sister just in case this was a shit test, and to see if she feels bad about it, but she reacted normal.
I'm confused as you can see, can anyone have the same problem or can clarify what are the mistakes i made other then "you should have sexualized"because i did what i could so i can meet her and start kina-escalating. and no she's not flaking.

Author:  debugger [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:44 am ]
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Punish her by cancelling the request for brother sister.If she keeps setting the "brother-sister" frame ignore her for a few days.

Author:  motownsoul [ Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:35 am ]
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gotta put her in her place so she knows where she stands

Author:  SeductMe [ Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:02 pm ]
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Punish her by cancelling the request for brother sister.If she keeps setting the "brother-sister" frame ignore her for a few days.
I think that canceling it will just show that I'm bothered by it. which is not scoring for me.

In the other hand, not canceling it may push me deeper in the friendzone.. this is so confusing.
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gotta put her in her place so she knows where she stands
Yea, prevention is the key for not falling into the friendzone. once you're in, too hard to get out.

Author:  SmoothOp [ Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:39 pm ]
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You made her your girlfriend without meeting her?

Author:  coolbrownie69 [ Thu Nov 03, 2011 9:41 pm ]
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Send her a husband/wife request instead

Author:  Mantis- [ Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:48 pm ]
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haha, thats awesome ^^^

Author:  SeductMe [ Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:39 am ]
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Good idea, but i'm punishing her by calling her sister while still flirting like hell. she get's mad every time i keep calling her sis.
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You made her your girlfriend without meeting her?
It's complicated, i danced with a sexy stranger at a party way before i knew about PU, like 3years ago, and it happens to be her!

Author:  RBoard [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:22 am ]
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If she's young (18-19) and sheltered, it may be her immature way of flirting.

I had a similar situation with a chick, she called herself my 'lil sister', but it was just her way of getting closer, she didn't respond well to me using the term.

Just keep gaming her and don't over react to it. I'd say don't accept it though, let it be her 'in-joke'.

And just so you know, nothing weirder then having a girl your in bed with saying 'I can't believe you just fucked your sister'.

Author:  detox75 [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:45 am ]
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Your in Tunisia? I think things must be much more difficult there girl wise as far as what you can get away with and not get your ass kicked by her family and friends right?

Author:  LordCaine [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Friendzone lander

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Yea that's what i always used to hear "just friends" but i got this handled and i never get into friendzone anymore.

But lately I've been gaming this chick that i met her at a party, but i was in a hurry so i just talk to her 5min and she gave me her facebook.

After then i was chatting with her for couple days, got her number and called her, she was sending lot's of IOI's and since she's a teenager living with her parent's she couldn't go out whenever she wanted and her parents are very protective, so we agreed that she will call me when she goes out, she told me that more likely she goes out on weekends. this is the 4th weekend and she never called, but we always talk on facebook, like 30min every 2-3 days.

I always end conversation. i'm always in control, not needy, showed some IOI's, always the prize, maybe i teased her too hard for an hb7 but she always in happy mood when talking to me, and oh she's always negging me so hard, but i do neg her even more when she does that!, but i noticed her attraction has tuned down comparing to what it was before. i couldn't sexualize enough over facebook.

Today she sent me a Brother-Sister demand on facebook. which surprised me!! i mean, i finally decided to make this girl my girlfriend since were both attracted to each other.Can you imagine how frustrated this can be? at first she sent me a Father-Sister, i replied with "Oh i had a kid and i didn't know about it :p" then she changed it back to brother-sister in like 3 sec, i was so confused.
i was thinking like a psycho, but thought that maybe it's just a shit test that sometimes girls call guys "brother" "Pal" "Buddy" "friend", but can you beleive that we knew each other 6 weeks ago. and what she sent is a permanent state that will always be there, not just a word she said.

I played cool, and she was just as before she didn't changed nor called me brother in any other way. i couter attacked her by calling her sister just in case this was a shit test, and to see if she feels bad about it, but she reacted normal.
I'm confused as you can see, can anyone have the same problem or can clarify what are the mistakes i made other then "you should have sexualized"because i did what i could so i can meet her and start kina-escalating. and no she's not flaking.
OK, strategy-wise odds are you've blown it so far. Your first mistake was a FB close, and even that could have worked if you can use it to get f2f or at least phone contact (which gives you more power to get f2f) but she made excuses not to talk to you, so its clear you blew it by that. I'm also guessing that even though you are ENDING every convo, you're probably also STARTING them. Forgive me if I'm not 100% correct on that point.

Anyway, the important part isn't WHY you blew it (not with HER anyway, but it will factor in to your next engagements) but WHAT to do about it.

My advice is:

Accept the frame she's set, be cool with it, and then work from there. Its only going to explode in your face if you ACT like you are having success when its fairly obvious you're NOT. The only way to pull this one out is to start from where you are with her NOW, in REALITY, not in your wishful thinking, and to EVOLVE the current relationship towards the kind you want.

BE her brother. Keep negging her back. And DONT go overtly sexual yet. ACCEPT the brother role. You need to use sexual language in innocent contexts instead, be more COVERT about sexualizing, and then neg her about having a dirty mind if she says anything about it. This begins to build the idea that SHE is the one thinking of sex with YOU.... You will also need to use kino, beginning very innocently and "brotherly"....

Author:  SeductMe [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Friendzone lander

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The only way to pull this one out is to start from where you are with her NOW, in REALITY, not in your wishful thinking, and to EVOLVE the current relationship towards the kind you want.
Ohh, but isn't playfully turning my "wishful thinking" into "assumptions" is what builds the concept of "cocky/funny" there for attraction? isn't assuming attraction is what creates it? by being confident, dominant?
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Your in Tunisia? I think things must be much more difficult there girl wise as far as what you can get away with and not get your ass kicked by her family and friends right?
Lol, no, tunisians are open minded, the only difference between us an EU/US is that virginity is one of the fundamentals for marriage. so a non-virgin girl is very rare and probably called a bitch, because she...fucks.. lool, but make-outs, blowjobs and facials occurs, if a girl gives you her virginity you better plan to marry her or else you're in trouble :D

Author:  LordCaine [ Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Friendzone lander

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Ohh, but isn't playfully turning my "wishful thinking" into "assumptions" is what builds the concept of "cocky/funny" there for attraction? isn't assuming attraction is what creates it? by being confident, dominant?
That's an incomplete understanding of the concept, and its probably what got you in this position in the first place. The first and most important thing is to notice what kind of reaction you're getting, and to adjust yourself accordingly until its the reaction you want. She wasn't responding to what you were doing, so you need to modify your approach.

There is a major difference between talking as if your wishful thinking is true, and actually believing it. Actually BELIEVING its true when it isn't leads to the wrong choices, and one of the biggest ones is too much cocky, not enough funny. The "funny" part comes from the delivery.

The cocky/funny approach is founded on two key concepts:
1) FUNNY means she's having a good time, laughing and smiling with you while feeling relaxed. This is what makes her want to spend more time with you. If she doesn't want to spend more time with you, then you have failed to capture the essence of the "funny" side.
2) COCKY refers to that conversion of wishful thinking into assumptions, and is supposed to be delivered through the vehicle of being funny as #1, so that it feels good and natural and relaxed to be thinking of the two of you already as an item.

When these two concepts are properly combined, she is DRAWN to spend more and more time with you, and by doing so, she is exposed more and more to your "assumptions" and begins to increasingly accept them as her own.

The idea is NOT to confuse yourself about where you stand with her. That road is a dead end, as you've already been discovering. You can follow it as long as you want, and hit the wall, or you can take a side road and see where it leads you. Just like you can't use a map of chicago to get home if you live in san francisco, you can't succeed in seduction if you think she's already seduced.

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