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Author:  KarmaPolice [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:00 am ]
Post subject:  How to not lose attraction in a relationship?

I'll try to keep this as short as possible.

I don't really participate in PUA or the community. However, about a year ago I read up on "the game" and became quite fascinated with it. I most enjoyed Gunwitch Method. Basically, I learned about being alpha and and the basics of attraction and use them in my everyday life now to become a happier person. I have no aspirations to become a PUA, but rather be able to get the girl I want if she ever comes along.

For the past 3 months I have been having a relationship with an older co-worker that was supposed to be "sex only." (She is 26 and I am 23.) However, we have amazing chemistry and I find myself very infatuated with HB. Hours upon hours of incredible sex, just amazingly good times. She feels the same, and we have recently decided to take the leap into a real relationship, since that is what feels right for both of us. I am excited for this.

However, in the process of attracting HB I have had to be very mysterious and standoff-ish in order to build attraction. HB is a very alpha female with very high social value in our group of friends, it was a rigorous task to attract HB. But with our decision to stay together and take our relationship to a more serious level, I will have to begin taking HB on real dates and romancing her.

My question is: How do you avoid losing attraction by pampering and romancing a girl how she wants to be treated? How do you go from a PUA into a relatoinship with a HB you actually like?

Author:  TheJ [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:57 pm ]
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Hi there.

Let me just repost a old comment from Locke. Real words of wisdom that I still check from time to time (I'm in a 1yr relation SPAM).

I hope it gives you some insight and some ideas.

Cheers!

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Zip wrote:
What is your advice for a woman in a LTR?

How does she keep it interesting when most of the "mystery" is gone? I know she can mix it up, switch around their sex life, make it special, etc... but how does she keep him intrigued while keeping the relationship healthy?

Also...

I recently got a facebook message form an ex of mine from early-early high school. I broke his heart in the worst way, and he cut off communication until two days ago. I wake up and BAM! he's friended me on facebook. What does that mean?

Thanks, o relationship guru.
If you are getting bored in your relationship, does that change how you feel about him? Probably not.

However, note what I posted before:
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"Basically, what that means is the more you "mix it up," the less routine there is, and the further the two of you will progress.

Too much routine and the existence of "over-comfort" will make things Hum-Drum. For a lot of people in today's society, there is already enough 'hum-drum' in their lives. They don't want any more. A lot of people who quickly find boredom in their relationships won't stick with it."
is a very true statement. If not confronted, it could possibly be the end of a relationship. A lack of interest is an extremely strong force.

There are obvious phases of a relationship; one that I have heard mentioned before is the 'honeymoon phase.' After the initial creation of the relationship, things might start to become a little more laxed. This is okay. You have gotten to know the person, the person has gotten to know you. You're in each others core. You have reached the stage of a relationship where it is now the progression of two people together -- not two people coming together. You are sharing the present, and creating a future.

Think about your life. Is every moment exciting? I don't care how much fun you have, at intervals I have no doubt you find yourself bored. Now bring another person into that. There is not really much difference. There will always be down time, it is expected. Don't mistake down time with boredom though, it is a prevalent factor and there are times where relationships do becoming boring, or start to become stale. However, the KEY (what many people miss) is to ensure that this boredom is not destructive; to make it temporary. You both have to cut off the current path and re-direct things.

If something is becoming boring, I doubt that only you feel that way. Now is a perfect time to reflect on the bond you two share. Why are things getting boring? Is it because you are in a bad mood? Is it because the two of you are not doing anything anymore? Is it because you two are spending too much time together? Is it because they have changed from the person you knew them to be?

You must first peg the reason YOU are becoming bored. It is your emotion - therefore your responsibility to understand and dissect.

After you have addressed the source of these feelings, guess what? Yes...yes....yes...my single preached piece of advice - communicate! They are your significant other; and at this point in the relationship (when things are boring) you two should be close enough to grow together, and share the problem solving.

I can't promise that these will work -- they might, or might not. But if the you sincerely want to change the relationships direction, then it won't take much work to figure out how to fix it. It is all about motivation to change. And that motivation is simple to find - all you have to do is cover up the daily tracks and make new ones.

The real problem only comes if, after following this advice, things still feel like an obligation.
(disclaimer: some of these will sound corny)

-Don't just take the common interests you have together and use them as a gauge to how you two "work."

Use them and pursue them.

-Set up a sliding date night. Every week you have a date night, but put it on a rotating schedule so that you are not going out the same night each week. Dates could be anything, but make sure they are not always the same. There is nothing wrong with dinner and a movie, just don't force the two of you through that every week. Scatter Ideas.

-Be spontaneous (easy to say, hard to think of ways) Don't be too spontaneous, because then spontaneity becomes the norm. Examples include - doing whatever comes to me at the spur of the moment. Free up time from your palm pilots and go somewhere you have never been. Get excited and break a routine for a hot minute

-Learn to communicate, about anything! It not only fills dead air, but it can also lead to things you never knew, fun games, or interesting ideas.

-Sit down and think of a hobby that neither of you have ever done but would be interested in doing together. Then go do it! Stick with it. Once you start, you will have another common bond - and one that was generated from the result of your being together. Very powerful!

-Plan mini inexpensive trips to different destinations

-Have a big vacation planned

-Hop in the car and take a road trip. Go anywhere. Or make it crazy and don't decide until you are on the road.

-Obvious one: spice up the bedroom play. Buy lingerie, buy toys, try new things. An amazing woman once told me that I would be surprised how far people are willing to go; they just don't know it yet.

-Join an active social gathering together

-Go out with groups of people

-Make sure that you always maintain interests outside the relationship. Not to be distant, but so you can have "that place" that everyone needs. Time to yourself; sometimes that is all that IS needed.

-Surprise each other with inexpensive but thoughtful gifts.

-Start going to the gym together; getting in shape is awesome, and there is always more motivation to do it when competing with your significant other.

-Start taking any sort of "lessons" together. Dancing, Singing, Martial Arts, Pilates, Yoga, whatever.

-Confront him/her and find out one of their passions; something they like to do, but you never got into. Start doing it with him/her. In return, ask that they start doing something you like to do as well. Example: he likes poetry, but you think it is boring. TAKE HIM to poetry nights. Then have him take you to pottery workshops (because you like pottery, but he hates clay under his nails). By doing this, you are challenging the other person, but also keeping things fresh.

Remember, your significant other is your friend first off. And friends have fun. Through communication, dedication, and a little creativity you would be surprised at fun easy it is to maintain the friendship along with the rest.


now, as for your former boyfriend....just tell Hobbit. He'll go beat him up! :p

But no. It all depends. Maybe he had a dream about you and triggered his curiosity about where you were in life. Maybe he was drunk and got nostalgic. He could have just been thinking about the past and how much of an awesome person you were; wanting to bring you back into (italics)his life.

There are many, many reasons why someone would try to reinitiate an old bond (out of the blue) with another. Just remember that no one is without motive. He has a reason. If it piques your interest to the point of focusing on that, why not ask him? He may just say that he wants to stare at your pictures. Hell, it is possible that he could even want to just tell you that he forgives you for breaking his heart.

What should you do? Talk to him, see whats going on in his life. Find out his intentions, and then you have to decide from there. And if he doesn't want to share his intentions, then I would proceed cautiously

Author:  Wal [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:39 pm ]
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Karma,

I am new to the forum (not new to relationships), so PLEASE take what I say with a grain of salt... but I'm glad things are working out for you!

TheJ has quoted some great ideas for "what to do" and I'd definitely keep those in mind to keep things fun and light... but I'd like to address "who to be."

The primary thing to keep in mind is that you want to be yourself, truly and to the core. There are great stickies on it in the Natural Game forum. Look up Practical Attainment of Inner Game if you haven't already (it is my favorite example).

In my experience, the most sincere way to build a quality, lasting relationship is to be comfortable being "who you are" in each moment. If this is your goal, you will be consistent and honest, and you will give yourself (and your girl) a true chance to determine whether this relationship is mutually beneficial. This is simultaneously respectful both to you and to her, and she deserves that at the very least, right? :)

If you are running Gunwitch game instead, be prepared to confuse the hell out of your girl, and subsequently to create a lot of heartbreak for yourself. Why? You aren't being yourself.

After all, what is more insane than trying to be someone you are not? I guarantee you don't want to be in a relationship where you are playing a role. It isn't a movie, you know what I mean?

That's not to say you can't use some of those ideas to keep the sex life spicy. But I tell you, if you can be yourself and not play a role in a movie, everything else will either fall into place, or you'll separate like water and oil. Either way, you'll be standing there with integrity knowing "I am true to myself." And as far as the attraction is concerned, nothing is more attractive to an "alpha" girl than a man who knows who he is.

Author:  KarmaPolice [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:59 pm ]
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Thanks for both of your replies!

Walqer,

Excellent points, and I completely agree. However, I wouldnt say that I run Gunwitch game, I just think that Gunwitch helped me understand attraction from an evolutionary perspective. I absolutely wouldn't waste any time "playing a role."

I don't think I worded my original post correctly. The problem I really have is with the fact that HB has stated she would like to be taken on real dates now and get flowers, small gifts, etc. The shit that girls love. How much of this is enough, and how much becomes too needy. I have almost zero experience with long term relationships.

Author:  Wal [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:31 pm ]
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Ah, got it!

Is she asking for gifts? Or are you projecting, by what she said about being in a relationship with you, that she wants gifts? There is a difference between wanting gifts, and being genuinely surprised and flattered by gifts. :wink:

That said, I don't have any rule of thumb for when and how often to give. Stick with consumables like flowers, though. I once bought a girlfriend a necklace and she never wore it! That was awkward.

I use gifts as a spontaneous "thinking about you" gesture. I don't ever plan it; when it comes to my head I just do it. Gifts are not required for a good relationship, but I do it because I like giving gifts. It is part of my sincere personality.

When I was younger I used to try to buy affection with gifts. If you feel like you're buying affection, you need to put it back on the shelf.

Author:  Wal [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:45 pm ]
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There are great stickies on it in the Natural Game forum. Look up Practical Attainment of Inner Game if you haven't already

Err sorry it is in the Beliefs and Confidence Building section... :oops:

Author:  SiNfUl [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:05 pm ]
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The problem I really have is with the fact that HB has stated she would like to be taken on real dates now and get flowers, small gifts, etc. The shit that girls love. How much of this is enough, and how much becomes too needy. I have almost zero experience with long term relationships.

I can only speak from experience. I have been in an LTR for years with the same woman, and she still shows me all the affection and sexual desire that she did at the beginning of our relationship. How have I managed to keep her hooked? By keeping her on her toes. I'm challenging, mysterious, exciting, I rock her world in bed and I call her a$$ out if she acts up. She has no idea what I am going to do next and she loves it. Never, ever let her (or any woman for that matter) figure you out completely.

I reward my girl with dates, flowers and small gifts when she deserves it, or when I'm feeling generous. I do not use these gestures as a way to keep her attracted to me, i do that with my personality and attitude. Romantic gestures should be used sparingly. Keep in mind that this is what has worked for me, it may or may not be different in your case. Good luck sir.

Author:  poet1234 [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:21 pm ]
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I will have to begin taking HB on real dates and romancing her.
Yes you will have to,if until now you've only met in the bedroom.
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HB has stated she would like to be taken on real dates now and get flowers, small gifts, etc
Actually she said she wants you to spend time with her while investing and being more open,forget about the fucking flowers that's not the point.

Author:  TheJ [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:24 pm ]
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Actually she said she wants you to spend time with her while investing and being more open,forget about the fucking flowers that's not the point.
I have to agree with this guy. Buying is not necessarly what she wants. She wants romance and it doesn't have to cost much. Go on fun dates, introduce her to your friends, make thoughtfull gestures. Keep in mind what SiiNfUL said though, you don't want to become predictable. Yes romance, but mix it up. Bring her one flower when she doesn't expect it, don't bring some everytime (this is an exemple ofc).

Author:  cedius [ Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:35 pm ]
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The primary thing to keep in mind is that you want to be yourself, truly and to the core.
This is very true and I speak from first hand experience.

I just recently got out of a 1 1/2 year relationship on the 1st. It was mutual at that point and began to diminish as of July of 2010 and thats when I began to change my ways to seek her appoval. The cause of the shift...I was still pending a divorce which I finally got done...just not soon enough and mostly...not introducing her to my kids like she did me to hers. We went on almost a year before that happened...finally we all met up but by then...it was too late. From that point on, she felt that I didn't feel the same about her or else I would have done it much sooner. She did mention it prior to, but I didn't feel my kids were ready...but the problem was basically communication. July rolls around, she gets her own place, moves out from her room mates pad.

By then already see the shift...so I start to do more for her...basically lost myself with what my core values were and embodied hers in hopes that she would see that I loved her and cared about her. I offered to do more things with all the kids...no go. Go places, movies, dinner...I just became a total lush. That became so un-attractive to her and at times she even mentioned it...I tried to snap out of it but I couldn't. The fights became very rough with her being very disrespectful, mind you, she is very alpha for a female, used to being independent so my ways with her were no longer cutting it. Everything was sooo off from how we first started and we just never got back on track. Now, from July on...I could see this not being a relationship that wouldn't last. I would give it till Nov, Then Dec...hell, if I had those thoughts, I should have pulled the plug then and for good. My mistake there, I pulled the plug but would then try to communicate to her the issues...I should have done that first...I made alot of mistakes...and learned communication is the cornerstone of a very loving and lasting relationship...establish it and never lose it.

As embarrasing as this sounds...I post this as a ... dont do what I did...I lost myself and currently am trying to get back to where I was at. I know if I just held my ground, listened better and shown what I was about...my true self, things would be different.

Regardless...Im finding this to be my time...reflect upon what I want out of my life and just be single for abit while I sharpen my wit with women...if one happens to come along again...I'll be better prepared, stay true to myself at all times and then I know I will be happier in the long run.

3 days after our breakup, I had a make out with a very cute girl at the club...I think the gods are telling me I'll be ok!

Author:  Kestrel [ Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:38 pm ]
Post subject:  I empathize

I empathize with the you guys on this. It's hard to maintain your frame, especially when you're with a woman with alpha tendencies. I haven't resolved this and I feel myself starting to slip with a particular girl (qualifying, obeying, etc.). the only advice I can give is to catch yourself. be disciplined. I am a stand-up comic and I run through a routine before stage to put myself into a dominant frame - the audience senses it just as fast as a woman. try this: print this post or keep it handy and read it often. (the addy was blocked by the spambot but the post is in this forum called 'on dominance')
It's hard to keep the attraction up when you're in a longer-term relationship or when you're around a girl 24/7. If you can find minutes here or there to 'refresh your frame' then I think it would help (helps me!)

Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:51 pm ]
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1. Don't see her too often
2. Don't ask her what she wants to do
3. Don't compromise
4. Don't apologise
5. Keep being YOURSELF
6. Keep her GUESSING
7. Keep her a little JEALOUS (keep seeing female friends, being flirty with waitresses, etc.)
8. Keep pushing the sexual boundaries
9. Give her little gifts out of the BLUE for no apparent reason
10. Tell her how sexy she is and how hot you are for her, but only towards the end of an evening before sex is gonna happen later. Not all the time.

Author:  Anon7022 [ Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:24 am ]
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This post is awesome! I am just starting a LTR and will constantly refer to this to check myself. Any other resources or recommendations for LTR I loved the Top Ten rules at the end.

Author:  swaggermystery [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:58 pm ]
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Thanks for this. This should be stickied.

Author:  Crimsonian [ Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:10 am ]
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I can think of two quotes on the matter of "being yourself" that sum up how I approach the matter:

"Limiting Belief: All I have to do is 'be myself,' and eventually I'll meet the right woman who likes me for me... This works only if you know exactly who you are, what your strengths are, and how to convey them successfully. Most often, this statement is used as an excuse not to improve. What most of us present to the world isn't necessarily our true self: It's a combination of years of bad habits and fear-based behavior. Our real self lies buried underneath all the insecurities and inhibitions. So rather than just being yourself, focus on discovering and permanently bringing to the surface your best self." -Neil Strauss, Rules of the Game

"Confidence is the result of years of successful interaction with women. A man getting the love of women is a confident man. A man getting scorned is a doubtful man. Confidence is not some abstract, nebulous ephemera that alights like cosmic dust on a man who wills it into existence. Confidence is a manifest set of behaviors and attitudes that reflect a man’s inner emotional harmony. This emotional harmony is better known as “becoming alpha”. A man not getting what he wants in life can observe, learn, and mimic the behaviors of confident men until he starts experiencing the success he wants and his emotional state follows in accordance. There is no definition of confidence that doesn’t include these behaviors and attitudes." -Roissy

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