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Author:  Jonas_Al_Caponas [ Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Gaining numbers, losing friends.

Hey,
So for a while when I was merely reading about game theory, I expressed to my friends that the topic of getting any women to sleep with you was juvenile and would require a person to sell their soul to douchery.
Since finishing the book, I realized there was more to it then that. The power behind just living confidently and not being shy was eye-openning. I unknowingly told all my friends that this lifestyle was for losers with something to prove, and now that I'm giving game a shot, they instantly rag on me and cock-block me every chance they get.
For example:
Last night these two girls my friend and I know, (both 8's), were in town. We make plans to go out to eat with them. Not even five minutes after sitting down, my friend brings up my hobby to them and tells them I'm reading some "self-help book about picking-up women."
Now, I've known my friend a very long time, and I can't ever get too mad at him for anything he does. I knew that either I would have to prove it could work, at that moment, or show lower-value and let these girls think I was a doormat.
I admitted flatly, that the books I've read are interesting, and I use them as tools for harnessing social situations, and creating attraction.
The funny thing is, I figured the girls would get disgusted with me, and my hobby, but instead...they were curious. They asked all sorts of questions, and were particularly interested in what IOI's are. They laughed when I explained the things that they were doing, right then in front of me, were IOI's and subconsious ticks to attract me.

In summation this post has two purposes.
1. I don't know how to get my friends to back-off and let me do my thing, without their constant AMOG feedback.
2. It might be possible to use the actual subject of Game, or Social Dynamics to create curiosity and IOI's. Has anyone ever used it?

Author:  Molson [ Tue Oct 06, 2009 1:23 am ]
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Any friend that would try and put you down, ain't much of a friend.

Guys like this are AFCs, thinking if they lower their friend's status, they will gain higher status. Doesn't work (makes you mad, and turns girls off) and maybe you should explain that to them as a PUA would!

Author:  magnum45 [ Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:37 pm ]
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I think your friend was just looking out for you. He want's to make sure you are on the right path. It is interesting if girls ask you questions about it. I don't really know.


I think it is important for you to be comfortable with this lifestyle as your own. If you are, your friends wont rag on you because it won't bother you. My friends used to bother me when I was not confident in my way of life. With time, I am confident, and they can call me a metrosexual without it bothering me. Maybe the same needs to happen with you and being a PUA, although, you have to not be ashamed of it.... that is very tricky with being a PUA.

Sincerely,
Magnum45

Author:  gamer_nl [ Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:23 pm ]
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Why not simply keeping your mouth shut against your friends about PUA thing, while at the same time you keep doing your thing. Most people can not understand it anyway. Why bother?

It sucks that an average guy that is not into the PUA-world, does not have a clue about winging, approaching, push/pull techniques etc. It's a little bit frustrating to have these guys around you because they screw things up often. However, you have to deal with it. Even though not into the PUA thing, those are your friends and you will just need to be aware of their presence (and their potential to mess up your game a little bit). Apart from this, just keep the game going.

Author:  magnum45 [ Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:41 am ]
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This community is great, but don't lose your real friends over it. Don't be ashamed.

Author:  Conker [ Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:35 pm ]
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I haven't yet encountered a put down that can't be used as a stepladder for your own status.

When someone comes along and goes "hey this guy is a dick head" what they are actually saying is (unbeknownst to them) "hey dude, I'm making myself into a social step ladder just for you - step on me right now and elevate your status above mine!"

All you have to do is do it :D

Any time someone puts someone else down, they are setting themselves up to be publicly humiliated. All you have to do is bowl over the pins. :) No one likes someone who puts other people down - just treat them like they deserve to be, and move on.

Your behaviour was perfect, and I think you can see that from the outcome. You don't need any advice on that. You just need to be told you're already doing the right thing. :)

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