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Author:  Snarg [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Moving too fast, and a myriad of other issues

I've been in a relationship with my girl for 1.5 months now. Before that, we were friends for 6 months. We share the same group of friends, and go to both school and work together. We're in our early 20s. Our schedules are identical, so even if we don't go on a real "date" all week, we're still with each other for countless hours. It's unavoidable that we will see each other too much; it's that simple.

We had sex pretty much the day we decided to take things to a relationship level. She hit me with the typical bullshit about how she doesn't want to have the boyfriend/girlfriend title yet, but wants to be completely monogamous. She's very vocal about the fact that we're dating, so it's not like she's trying to hide me or anything. She's told her mom, sister, and all her friends about me, etc. Anyway, after that, we had sex every day for about 2-3 weeks. When she was on her period, she still took care of me. I made sure to always put her first when it came to sex and ensured she always had at least one orgasm before I finished.

Then, the night to end all nights came. We bought two bottles of wine, so we each had one. The problem is, I'm a cranky motherfucker when I drink wine. Long story short, I turned into a fucking demon and got into a massive fight with her over something really stupid; neither of us even remember what it was about. All I know is I was yelling and was completely out of control. This was about 2 weeks ago. The next few days she acted very distant and told one of our mutual friends that she is deathly afraid that I'll do this again. I told her that I would stop drinking wine to ensure that won't ever happen again. I bought her flowers and wrote her a card as a way to make it up to her.

But now, she says we moved too fast in the beginning and she wants to slow things down. I no longer sleep at her apartment, we haven't had sex since after the fight, and if I try to make a move she resists my attempts angrily. We have both made an effort to see each other less often to try to smother each other less. I know for a fact she has no interest in anyone else because she's still as clingy as ever, texting me all the time and trying as hard as she can to make time to see me. She is also always around at least one of our mutual friends, and they are unquestionably loyal enough to me that they would tell me if something else was going on. She's still completely mine, I am positive of that.

The reason she is so freaked out over everything is because a few months ago, she was with some guy and ended up getting pregnant. She had an abortion, and for those of you who don't know, that's one of the most mentally traumatic procedures a woman can endure. I get that. She can't be on birth control because it causes blood clotting, and she no longer has faith in condoms because of this event. She attributes this to a bulk of the issues and why she wants to take things slowly. I can't say I fully understand this, but whatever.

Now, here's the problem. I don't see how it's possible to go from having sex all the time and sleeping at each others' places, to removing both of those very key elements. How will we ever bring those things back into the relationship at this point? I feel like she isn't allowing me to escalate the relationship and things will remain stagnant. I feel like I need to do something to turn things around, but I'm not sure what exactly. Any tips? And thanks for reading this long post.

Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Moving too fast, and a myriad of other issues

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I feel like she isn't allowing me to escalate the relationship and things will remain stagnant. I feel like I need to do something to turn things around, but I'm not sure what exactly. Any tips? And thanks for reading this long post.
Bro, I hate to say this, BUT the cold hard fact is that SHE is now in control of the relationship! It is her deciding if you sleep together, stay together, eat together...and so on. Now it is your job as the Man to REGAIN control! I'm not saying freeze her out just yet, but "frost" her out for sure, I know it sounds mean, but it's necessary! Hint that you have other options, and plenty of them! chat up other girls to help boost your moral. YOU become distant and hard to reach, Take control BACK! Sucking up, flowers, non stop calling, texting, WILL NOT WORK! You have to become the player that she fell for in the 1st place!

I really hope this helps Bro, even though it's not what you want to hear!

Author:  Hakuna [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:39 am ]
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If you do something that breaks rapport on an extreme level, whether it be cheating or yelling the shit out of her, DO NOT pack pedal. Instinctively when men do something wrong on this level, we apologize dearly because we've been conditioned to believe that it's the right thing to do. But often times, the right thing to do morally is not the best thing to do for a relationship. Rapport and attraction have an interesting dynamic. When you build attraction, you can break rapport. But you build rapport, you must never break attraction. Remember that women are NOT turned on by men they only have rapport with, the subtext of attraction is a critical element. Without it, all rapport gets funneled through an LJBF filter.

Going back to your example, after you yell at a girl, you've broken rapport and must find someway to rebuild it. But by apologizing and sending flowers, you attempt to build it while SUPPLICATING. She might think of you as a "nicer" person now, but you strip yourself of the higher value allure that draws her to you in the first place. An example of building rapport WITHOUT taking away attraction:

You yell at her. She cries. You guys don't talk for a week. She finds out you're "talking" to some other girl. She eventually texts to "talk about stuff." She says "wtf is wrong with you?" when you guys meet up. You grab her and tell her "You'll never know how much I love you" and then just walk away. No-contact for another week or two, let her imagination and anxiety run wild. From my experience, this routine works 95% of the time.

That 1 statement, delivered powerfully, "You'll never know how much I love you," is all the rapport you will ever need in a relationship. No flowers, gifts, texts, voice mails, nothing. Just that and be gone. That + mystery and dread = Pussy Quakes.

When a girl wants to avoid you because she's worried about something, you must tell her "I'm avoiding you because I'm a monster" or some shit like that. The genius of it is how little it makes sense. It is logically incongruent, yet in the eyes of a woman, you are now what SHE cannot have, even though it is technically her who is not supposed to want you. Never be angry that women do not abide by the rules of logic, celebrate it and use it to your advantage.

I wouldn't say she's in control right now as if you've gamed a girl correctly, your dominance becomes somewhat hard-wired into your dynamic with her. But she's definitely gaining it and you've given her hand by conceding to her frame.

It's also important that you understand this whole thing about you yelling is almost insignificant. I have seen guys do way more fucked up shit and suffer little to no consequences for it. These things come off as fucked up because we've been trained to believe they are so supremely fucked up. So when they happen, the girl ACTS like you just murdered Gandhi. And if you CONCEDE TO HER FRAME and apologize a thousand times for it, you only AGREE with her that what you did was wrong and that you now need to supplicate. After a bit of confirmation theory and post-hoc rationalization kicks in, she keeps going off on it. Remember that women will do whatever it takes to preserve their agency, it is an extension of the female imperative. She is compelled by an implicit need to monopolize your attention and turn you into a beta orbiter; this whole fiasco is just another opportunity for her to say "You fucked up, gimme what I want." The more you treat an issue like an important issue, the more ammo you give her.

Your relationship isn't stagnant, it's just that she is freezing you out. And it's so easy for her because right now she is in the power position. It's always harder for the person WAITING for something to happen, than it is for the person who's waiting to MAKE something happen. So long as she feels no anxiety about actually losing you, there will be no strong motivating force to push her to get you back. We only chase the things that run away from us, are you running away or towards her?

Game is counter intuitive, inaction is often the best course of action.

Her saying that you're moving too fast is not what she literally "means." Remember that a girl only mirrors her internal emotional state. What you did by flipping out was show that there's something INCONGRUENT about you. And when a girl finds something incongruent about the guy she likes, she immediately takes a step back to re-evaluate the relationship. This is when she will say something like, "I think we're moving too fast" or "I think we're too attached." Whatever cliche logical explanation she has seen in movies and tabloids will be the one to leave her mouth.

Unfortunately, when this happens, guys tend to PULL back harder when you're supposed to do the opposite. 99% of the time a girl is not breaking up with you for the reason she is saying she's breaking up with you. In most cases like yours, it will ironically happen because of a lack of ATTRACTION, not rapport. The guy does something fucked up, believes he fucked up, and supplicates to make up for it sooooo much that the girl gains a disproportionate amount of power and loses all attraction for him.

And when/if she gets back with you, pay no attention to this. Never bring it up or randomly apologize for it. When you're an Alpha, a halo affect takes place. Your girl will rationalize every single one of your mistakes if she wants you bad enough. Men underestimate the power of power itself too often. It is simply unfathomable how strong the female inclination to submit to a dominant cock is.

Author:  Snarg [ Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:57 pm ]
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Thank you very much for this post. I would never have thought of it this way and it makes perfect sense. I have distanced myself from her over the last few days and it's already working wonders, and we're having sex again. I'll definitely remember what you said for future reference - that's huge.

Author:  Snarg [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:35 pm ]
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As expected, with just a few days of distancing myself from her, she is chasing back again. If I don't respond to a text in 15 minutes, she sends another to ask if I'm mad at her. If I don't reply to the followup text, she calls to make sure everything is alright. She tries to eat every meal of the day with me. Just completely clingy. That's fine, I kind of like that, honestly.

But there's still one issue that I don't understand. After 1.5 months of being together, we still have never had sex while she's sober. She will only give me a blowjob, have sex, or let me touch her sexually if she's drunk. Any other time, she claims she's too tired or gives some bullshit excuse and no matter which techniques I use, she won't budge. She flat out does not want to have sex when she's sober. Additionally, she now only wants me to sleep at her place when she's drunk.

I see this as a huge red flag. What do you think, and how might I overcome it?

Author:  Heywood Jablowme [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:24 pm ]
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I see this as a huge red flag. What do you think, and how might I overcome it?


Giant red flag! She is a DRUNK, you can't fix that! Fuck her till you don't want to anymore, urge HELP! Stay distant...It's working!!

Author:  Wolfwoodd [ Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:36 pm ]
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If you do something that breaks rapport on an extreme level, whether it be cheating or yelling the shit out of her, DO NOT pack pedal. Instinctively when men do something wrong on this level, we apologize dearly because we've been conditioned to believe that it's the right thing to do. But often times, the right thing to do morally is not the best thing to do for a relationship. Rapport and attraction have an interesting dynamic. When you build attraction, you can break rapport. But you build rapport, you must never break attraction. Remember that women are NOT turned on by men they only have rapport with, the subtext of attraction is a critical element. Without it, all rapport gets funneled through an LJBF filter.

Going back to your example, after you yell at a girl, you've broken rapport and must find someway to rebuild it. But by apologizing and sending flowers, you attempt to build it while SUPPLICATING. She might think of you as a "nicer" person now, but you strip yourself of the higher value allure that draws her to you in the first place. An example of building rapport WITHOUT taking away attraction:

You yell at her. She cries. You guys don't talk for a week. She finds out you're "talking" to some other girl. She eventually texts to "talk about stuff." She says "wtf is wrong with you?" when you guys meet up. You grab her and tell her "You'll never know how much I love you" and then just walk away. No-contact for another week or two, let her imagination and anxiety run wild. From my experience, this routine works 95% of the time.

That 1 statement, delivered powerfully, "You'll never know how much I love you," is all the rapport you will ever need in a relationship. No flowers, gifts, texts, voice mails, nothing. Just that and be gone. That + mystery and dread = Pussy Quakes.

When a girl wants to avoid you because she's worried about something, you must tell her "I'm avoiding you because I'm a monster" or some shit like that. The genius of it is how little it makes sense. It is logically incongruent, yet in the eyes of a woman, you are now what SHE cannot have, even though it is technically her who is not supposed to want you. Never be angry that women do not abide by the rules of logic, celebrate it and use it to your advantage.

I wouldn't say she's in control right now as if you've gamed a girl correctly, your dominance becomes somewhat hard-wired into your dynamic with her. But she's definitely gaining it and you've given her hand by conceding to her frame.

It's also important that you understand this whole thing about you yelling is almost insignificant. I have seen guys do way more fucked up shit and suffer little to no consequences for it. These things come off as fucked up because we've been trained to believe they are so supremely fucked up. So when they happen, the girl ACTS like you just murdered Gandhi. And if you CONCEDE TO HER FRAME and apologize a thousand times for it, you only AGREE with her that what you did was wrong and that you now need to supplicate. After a bit of confirmation theory and post-hoc rationalization kicks in, she keeps going off on it. Remember that women will do whatever it takes to preserve their agency, it is an extension of the female imperative. She is compelled by an implicit need to monopolize your attention and turn you into a beta orbiter; this whole fiasco is just another opportunity for her to say "You fucked up, gimme what I want." The more you treat an issue like an important issue, the more ammo you give her.

Your relationship isn't stagnant, it's just that she is freezing you out. And it's so easy for her because right now she is in the power position. It's always harder for the person WAITING for something to happen, than it is for the person who's waiting to MAKE something happen. So long as she feels no anxiety about actually losing you, there will be no strong motivating force to push her to get you back. We only chase the things that run away from us, are you running away or towards her?

Game is counter intuitive, inaction is often the best course of action.

Her saying that you're moving too fast is not what she literally "means." Remember that a girl only mirrors her internal emotional state. What you did by flipping out was show that there's something INCONGRUENT about you. And when a girl finds something incongruent about the guy she likes, she immediately takes a step back to re-evaluate the relationship. This is when she will say something like, "I think we're moving too fast" or "I think we're too attached." Whatever cliche logical explanation she has seen in movies and tabloids will be the one to leave her mouth.

Unfortunately, when this happens, guys tend to PULL back harder when you're supposed to do the opposite. 99% of the time a girl is not breaking up with you for the reason she is saying she's breaking up with you. In most cases like yours, it will ironically happen because of a lack of ATTRACTION, not rapport. The guy does something fucked up, believes he fucked up, and supplicates to make up for it sooooo much that the girl gains a disproportionate amount of power and loses all attraction for him.

And when/if she gets back with you, pay no attention to this. Never bring it up or randomly apologize for it. When you're an Alpha, a halo affect takes place. Your girl will rationalize every single one of your mistakes if she wants you bad enough. Men underestimate the power of power itself too often. It is simply unfathomable how strong the female inclination to submit to a dominant cock is.
Excellent post. I'm pretty sure Hakuna is some kind of relationship ninja. He just pops in threads out of nowhere, drops some ridiculously solid advice, and then leaves us going, "Holy shit, did he really just post that? Did that just happen?"

-Wolf

Author:  Snarg [ Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:21 am ]
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I see this as a huge red flag. What do you think, and how might I overcome it?


Giant red flag! She is a DRUNK, you can't fix that! Fuck her till you don't want to anymore, urge HELP! Stay distant...It's working!!
I think you misinterpreted my issue as being a stupid one. Poor wording on my part.

I just meant that there's obviously something that is causing her to NOT want sex with me when she's sober.

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