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| Author: | Asmodai [ Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:39 am ] |
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I've found them to be too much effing trouble. I've only sarged two of them and applied SS. The first one, I got emotional responses out of her. She was touch-shy and I didn't have time to get past that. I riffed some cool connection and trust patterns on the spot. She doesn't pick up my calls. The second one didn't know what fun is! I didn't get a single unconscious response from her. In fact, my direct opener went right past her; it just opened a dialogue with no effect. I could see that she was consciously processing everything I was saying and preventing emotional response. All she did was laugh, she needed jokes explained, and she ultimately checked her watch and I got the hell away. Has anyone managed to get good results with these demographics? Next time I approach one (I never know if she's FoB or American until I do), I'll talk much more slowly than I consider slow (borderline RJ leaning on it) and, rather than using themes to get unconscious response, I'll do something like quoting people quoting books quoting people quoting aliens to get her conscious mind out of the way. Feel free to brainstorm with me. I'm interested in what ideas you all may have. I'll post with results from this change, good or bad. |
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| Author: | potato [ Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:20 am ] |
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It's likely the cultural difference, not the language |
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| Author: | Asmodai [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:21 am ] |
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Yeah, there is no doubt a cultural barrier, but the two I had in mind both explicitly told me that they had to translate English to Chinese in their minds as I spoke to them -- a conscious process. Thanks for the suggestion, though -- now I'm thinking about cross-cultural connections as a theme, introduced with simple body language and growing into a full theme, talking about things as I do them. |
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| Author: | potato [ Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:54 pm ] |
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I'm sending you a pm edit: Stupid pm's aren't working. I'm going to send it like 50 times |
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| Author: | Mind Hacker [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:26 pm ] |
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I don't have experience with asians, but if she can understand everything 100% perfect in English than it can work. Here's a pattern I just made for you, try it out and let me know: Set up: YOU: You know what I like to do in a place like this? (wait for her to answer so you get feedback if she understands English well) HER: What? YOU: I like to see who's connecting and who's really faking it. Pattern: YOU: But what''s amazing is that cultures don't really matter as I was reading in this article. It was saying that if 2 people (gesture between you and her) are truly connecting you FEEL AN INCREDIBLE CONNECTION, and you FEEL TOTALLY COMFORTABLE like it was meant to be, and maybe you're even able to look to your future and look back on today as being the start of it. As I see it than it's like a ball of energy going from here to here (draw a path in the air between your solar plexus and hers), it's like the entire world disappears and everything that matters is happening right here, right now... and all of sudden it's like you known this person forever. Can you feel that as maybe how it happens? |
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| Author: | Thesis.17 [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:44 am ] |
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Hey guys, Can't believe no one's mentioned it yet, but if you want rapport, mirroring is a very good way to do it. I find this is very useful especially with foreign chicks since you can mirror nonverbally, so it doesn't matter that they suck at talking English. Personally, with asian chicks born in the far East, I find it works best to lay off the attraction material a bit and instead focus on rapport. Seeing as they are visitors to your country, you have perceived higher value without doing anything, making your job a easier. I also do this because often times I'll notice the girl will be attracted to me, but she's too shy to respond to me, and even though I'm getting a lot of ioi's from her subcom's, she still won't give you compliance. She's scared. It's that simple. Even if she kind of likes you, she doesn't want to get raped by you. Focusing more on comfort seems to help this. Anyway, those are personal experiences. Feel free to ignore them. |
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