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Author:  cerebralassassin [ Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:57 pm ]
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in my opinion to anyone who wants to study language and how it influences us should study derren brown! study the language that he uses, his tone, his pacing embedded commands and suggestion wether it be consciously or unconsciously, plus he does an awesome variation of the handshake interrupt
Author:  Coldman [ Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:43 pm ]
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To be honest, people should start getting into psychology books instead of trying to learn from an illusionist... I've noticed that he sometimes explains how he does something, but he's been doing something else entirely (misdirection). So it seems like he does something amazing even though it's not.

He says he uses magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship... you never know when he's using what... He also uses a lot of VERY suggestible people, probably more so than the average human being you'll meet. Given the fact that he's a celebrity and that he has a reputation of doing amazing things makes people more suggestible to his commands.

Not only that, but most of his "subliminal messages", or "perception without awareness" is utter bullshit. It doesn't work. If it did, people would've used it already to rule the world. Or governments would've used it and wouldn't need a military to invade another country, they'd just have to get their broadcast heard by the population there, and they would be helpless to resist.

This doesn't take away the fact that it's good entertainment, I'm a huge fan. :)
Author:  tdub88 [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:31 am ]
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Yea... How do you know when these people you are trying to learn from aren't just using their 'tricks' to make you think they are really amazing.

Example, in 'The Game' Style talks about one of the workshops getting people to yell, shout, and run around just so that the people would experience positive emotions and be more likely to give the boot camp a better review. Who knows how much they actually learned though.

*Thinking out loud*
Author:  cerebralassassin [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:06 pm ]
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this was really meant for guys who do speed seduction and who uses language patterns and people who like to use hypnosis
Author:  exclusiveme [ Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:12 am ]
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I think Darren Brown is legit. He's cited as one of the best in hypnosis.

I think the reason subliminal message or priming don't work well for most others is because it takes years of practice and knowledge. Performing them requires talent, for instance getting someone to think you are attracted when maybe you are not, which not a lot of people have. This explains why not a lot of people uses them.

Lastly, there are ethical issues associated with his tricks, and hence is not suitable for everyone.

Like the poster said, he's one of the best in showing how to perform his tricks. This is where the real value is in. Not a lot of people can do this.
Author:  Pinocchio [ Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:26 pm ]
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I think Darren Brown is legit. He's cited as one of the best in hypnosis.

I think the reason subliminal message or priming don't work well for most others is because it takes years of practice and knowledge. Performing them requires talent, for instance getting someone to think you are attracted when maybe you are not, which not a lot of people have. This explains why not a lot of people uses them.

Lastly, there are ethical issues associated with his tricks, and hence is not suitable for everyone.

Like the poster said, he's one of the best in showing how to perform his tricks. This is where the real value is in. Not a lot of people can do this.
I agree, Derren Brown IS legit. He uses magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship and doesn't lie about it.

As for being a great hypnotist I'm not so sure. An interesting one? Certainly, but great? I don't know... Who is it you say cites him as one of the best? Derren rarely uses hypnotic influence, and rarely does tricks the way he says he does.

Some of his shows are controversial, but unethical? I don't think you understand what he's doing.
Author:  cerebralassassin [ Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:49 pm ]
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i believe his talent with hypnotic language and sleight of mouth is amazing. i dont see him as unethical but i dont see ross jeffries or richard bandler as being unethical either
Author:  exclusiveme [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:31 am ]
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I think Darren Brown is legit. He's cited as one of the best in hypnosis.

I think the reason subliminal message or priming don't work well for most others is because it takes years of practice and knowledge. Performing them requires talent, for instance getting someone to think you are attracted when maybe you are not, which not a lot of people have. This explains why not a lot of people uses them.

Lastly, there are ethical issues associated with his tricks, and hence is not suitable for everyone.

Like the poster said, he's one of the best in showing how to perform his tricks. This is where the real value is in. Not a lot of people can do this.
I agree, Derren Brown IS legit. He uses magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship and doesn't lie about it.

As for being a great hypnotist I'm not so sure. An interesting one? Certainly, but great? I don't know... Who is it you say cites him as one of the best? Derren rarely uses hypnotic influence, and rarely does tricks the way he says he does.

Some of his shows are controversial, but unethical? I don't think you understand what he's doing.
Well in regards to ethical issues, I meant like learn his stuff and use it for own advantage. Not his performance per say. Hence, not a lot of people are willing to apply what they learn in real life. Would you want to prime a girl into thinking you are rich when you are not and not able to actually give her what she came for?

NLP in general can be used unethically, and that's why not a lot of people want to use it for certain things. It's not that priming, or NLP, or hynopsis don't work. They do to some extent.

Well, Darren Brown is legit in the sense that his performance, the acts he do, are based on similar acts that have been conducted in research. For instance, the "changed blindness."

To clarify, I wouldn't call his acts magic, because his acts have explanations for how they work.

But never the less, are you suggesting that we don't take advantage of what he shows us? When it's done live in person as opposed to reading them from books? or forums? What's your point anyways?
Author:  Pinocchio [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:17 pm ]
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My point is that Derren Brown rarely uses hypnotic language or influence. He often makes it appear like he's using it but more often than not it's some form of trickery.
As far as his hypnosis ability is concerned I'd say he can do instant inductions well and he has a fantastic frame. There's little more to it than that.
Author:  exclusiveme [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 9:10 pm ]
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My point is that Derren Brown rarely uses hypnotic language or influence. He often makes it appear like he's using it but more often than not it's some form of trickery.
As far as his hypnosis ability is concerned I'd say he can do instant inductions well and he has a fantastic frame. There's little more to it than that.
Oh ok. I see. Thanks for clarifying. I ll have to watch more of his video . thanks..
Author:  Pinocchio [ Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:37 pm ]
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My point is that Derren Brown rarely uses hypnotic language or influence. He often makes it appear like he's using it but more often than not it's some form of trickery.
As far as his hypnosis ability is concerned I'd say he can do instant inductions well and he has a fantastic frame. There's little more to it than that.
Oh ok. I see. Thanks for clarifying. I ll have to watch more of his video . thanks..
Check out Anthony Jacquin for somebody who does very similar tricks to Derren Brown (and who backwards engineers a lot of Derren's tricks) in his own way. He's a true genius.
Author:  exclusiveme [ Wed Feb 16, 2011 12:18 am ]
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My point is that Derren Brown rarely uses hypnotic language or influence. He often makes it appear like he's using it but more often than not it's some form of trickery.
As far as his hypnosis ability is concerned I'd say he can do instant inductions well and he has a fantastic frame. There's little more to it than that.
Oh ok. I see. Thanks for clarifying. I ll have to watch more of his video . thanks..
Check out Anthony Jacquin for somebody who does very similar tricks to Derren Brown (and who backwards engineers a lot of Derren's tricks) in his own way. He's a true genius.
Okay ! Thanks :)
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