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| Author: | Mind Hacker [ Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Conversational hypnosis vs SS |
Hey guys! What's up? So, wanting to improve my SS skills I started to check out conversational hypnosis courses and one thing I realized is that SS is much like simpler way of doing conversational hypnosis. I mean, even if you take SS and apply to sales and other fields instead of seduction, it's still good. All the SS tools like conversational frameworks, weasel phrases, embedded commands, etc still apply. I don't know if I'm missing something here. But I'd like to hear guys with more experience in this. |
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| Author: | Icewalker [ Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:51 am ] |
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Nevermind. |
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| Author: | werp [ Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:57 pm ] |
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Quote: the mind doesn’t exist
Quote: I don’t have the foggiest clue what a ‘mind’ actually is – all I know is that they exist
right...Quote: On the other hand, when we sleep, we have complete and unrestricted access to our imagination and memory, and we have the ability to change and manipulate our deepest thoughts and behavioural patterns at will, yet we lack the ability to logically process, direct and rationalise our experiences.
Lucid dreamers who can control their dreams must have amazing mental powers...[..] Whilst sleeping we lose the use of our critical faculties, but gain complete access to our imagination, memory and the deep-rooted automatic processes. When sleeping we can use our limitless creative powers to solve problems that may have emerged during waking hours, and to be able to easily reap the rewards of past experience by searching through buried memories. It also means that when sleeping we have the ability to easily change any deep-rooted behaviours on a mere whim… but we can’t – not intentionally anyway – due to lacking the critical thinking abilities required to [decide what to do, why to do it, how to go about it, and then to do it!] How do you know we have complete access to imagination and memory? You're saying "oh, we have complete access to our memory, we just can't use it, but it's there!". Did you know that when you're asleep, often a pink flying unicorn will appear next to your bed? You just can't ride it due to lacking the critical thinking abilities required to [opening your eyes, getting out of bed, riding it]. I think you might be confusing accessing memory with processing memory. Quote: 'Conversational hypnosis' is based upon the faulty premise that hypnotism is 'just suggestion', when it is much, much more than that. When you're using so-called conversational hypnosis what you're actually doing is utilising psycholinguistic phenomena to inhibit the function of your subjects frontal lobes, and to increase the activation of the temporal, parietal and occular cortex's...
Lots of cortexes in this one, but you're not saying anything. And what's an occular cortex? Did you mean 'occipital'?Quote: Badly written explanation of hypnosis, and how term is misused:
When you're hypnotised you're asleep? Interesting. The American Society of Clinical Hypnosis (http://www.asch.net/Public/GeneralInfoo ... fault.aspx) literally says: "Hypnosis is not sleep". When you're sleeping the brain is able to reprogram itself by altering synaptic pathways and neuronal structures... when you're hypnotised you're asleep, and because you're asleep, during hypnosis you're able to instantly restructure and alter your brain/mind, and the results tend to be permanent. Quote: 'Conversational Hypnosis' isn't what it says it is.
What, exactly, does it say it is?
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| Author: | jacob600 [ Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:43 pm ] |
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I almost hate to reply to this one for fear of a flame war but.. sleep is not the incredible state you make it out to be. The critical factor bypass is NOT in effect when we sleep. While we do receive some useful messages from our subconscious when we sleep,they are almost always symbolic because this is how the mind works. Dreams are also, usually over dramatic so that you WILL remember the message when you awake even though it is usually in the form of a metaphor. ACtually this is whole topic in itself so I will just stop right there. All the states/programs of the mind are all running all the time. Depending on the state you are in (sleep, somnambulism, waking consciousness, etc), a certain state/program may be in more control. IMHO, SS is conversational hypnosis. If you are throwing people into trance, you are using conversational hypnosis. Of course it depends on your definition of hypnosis/trance. A good book to read for this is Monsters and Magical sticks. |
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