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^That's good input from mind hacker.

Your lines are fine.

The key is not to just recite them but to actually pause, say it slow, and ALLOW her to experience the true meaning of your words deep inside herself.

Watch for non-verbal cues to confirm that she really is experiencing it and not just nodding along with you. E.g. her eyes will move as you tell her to remember, or her pupils may dilate or she may blush or she may stop folding her arms or shift the weight on her legs etc.

Do you guys think instead of pointing to myself that I should make a gesture to my chest? Because a friend of mine pointed out earlier that pointing to yourself might make it too obvious.

All good answers above, but also try to keep the embedded commands short as possible.

A 2 or 3 words command gets into her mind easier than a 5 or 6 words command. Also try to be as vague as possible. Being especific is not helping when it comes to subconscious mind.

See the difference:
And this person can MAKE YOU FEEL AN INCREDIBLE CONNECTION appears in your life, do you know what I mean?

(big commands, direct language = BAD)

And when you see this person that you you have this incredible connection you just allow yourlsef to FEEL THIS growing deep inside, it's so natural, now with me (PAUSE) it's the same way. Do you know what I mean?

(small commands, vague language (eg: "now with me it's the same way" - is it the same way the connection happen between us or is it the same way it happens with me and other people? pretty vague!) = GOOD)

Try this in real world and let us know how it goes.

Author:	uncompletesex [ Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:40 am ]
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Ok, this is the first pattern I made up. I haven't tried it in the field yet, but I am sure to because the last pattern I was originally using was very uncomfortable. Well here is the new pattern, used for connection purpose, as a lead up to attraction and arousal. PLEASE OFFER SUGGESTIONS! I WANT TO MAKE IT AS COMFORTABLE AS POSSIBLE, YET HAVE CONNECTION COMMANDS (Embedded commands are in CAPS) Me: Have you ever known someone for a while? Like you know how you started PAY ATTENTION and LISTEN CLOSELY to what that person says (point to yourself), and you started to MAKE A CONNECTION WITH THAT PERSON (point to yourself)? It kinda happened naturally, and you FEEL COMFORTABLE and at ease with that person (point to yourself). It's almost like you ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN. So you go on and have good times; make good memories. And you REMEMBER THAT PERSON and begin to REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT PERSON (point to yourself) because you had good times with them?

Author:	Mind Hacker [ Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:34 am ]
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Looks pretty good. Would probably get good results if delivered correctly. A good addition would be to elicit her values, get her trance words and incorporate it on the fly. Also, fractionate. Something like: Me: Have you ever known someone for a while? Her: Yes Me: Well, was it like you've known him forever or? Her: Yes, like you've known forever, the person is really part of your life. Me: I agree. Like you know how you started PAY ATTENTION and LISTEN CLOSELY to what that person says (point to yourself), and you started to MAKE A CONNECTION WITH THAT PERSON (point to yourself)? It kinda happened naturally, and you FEEL COMFORTABLE and at ease with that person (point to yourself). It's almost like you ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN. So you go on and have good times; make good memories. Naturally and easily becomes part of your life. And you REMEMBER THAT PERSON and begin to REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT PERSON (point to yourself) because you had good times with them? Just my opinion. I'm not an NLP expert. I'm just learning.

Author:	R.G. [ Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:03 pm ]
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^That's good input from mind hacker. Your lines are fine. The key is not to just recite them but to actually pause, say it slow, and ALLOW her to experience the true meaning of your words deep inside herself. Watch for non-verbal cues to confirm that she really is experiencing it and not just nodding along with you. E.g. her eyes will move as you tell her to remember, or her pupils may dilate or she may blush or she may stop folding her arms or shift the weight on her legs etc.

Author:	uncompletesex [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:30 am ]
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Quote: ^That's good input from mind hacker. Your lines are fine. The key is not to just recite them but to actually pause, say it slow, and ALLOW her to experience the true meaning of your words deep inside herself. Watch for non-verbal cues to confirm that she really is experiencing it and not just nodding along with you. E.g. her eyes will move as you tell her to remember, or her pupils may dilate or she may blush or she may stop folding her arms or shift the weight on her legs etc. All good suggestions. Do you guys think instead of pointing to myself that I should make a gesture to my chest? Because a friend of mine pointed out earlier that pointing to yourself might make it too obvious.

Author:	rushdown23 [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:34 am ]
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instead of saying "THAT" person say "THIS" person when describing things that you would like to link with yourself. Its a Dave Riker tactic. For example instead of, "Have you ever met someone, and for some mysterious reason, you felt an incredible connection with THAT person?" Say, "Have you ever met someone, and for some mysterious reason, you felt an incredible connection with THIS person?"

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Author:	rushdown23 [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:46 am ]
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Quote: Do you guys think instead of pointing to myself that I should make a gesture to my chest? Because a friend of mine pointed out earlier that pointing to yourself might make it too obvious. If you point to yourself from her peripheral view it should be fine. Do it like more off to the side and not directly in front of her face, in other words. RJ also does a demonstration of a self point in an interview on youtube where he was doing the Discovery Channel Pattern.

Author:	R.G. [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:32 pm ]
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The only way to get it right is to get your butt out there and try it. Not once or twice but dozens of times. You will find your own style and it will get congruent. To begin with, it will feel weird, and probably look weird. I recall girls looking at my hand awkwardly when I first started it. It's not a big deal though. Personally I do a handy-chesty thing. It's a lot easier if you're moving your hands around more to begin with, rather than suddenly jerk out from a stiff pose. You'll find you'll be moving your hands around a lot in NLP

Author:	_Manna_ [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:08 pm ]
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just put a bit more pauses in there ( i couldn't tell from your typing where you would pause )

Author:	Mind Hacker [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:05 pm ]
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All good answers above, but also try to keep the embedded commands short as possible. A 2 or 3 words command gets into her mind easier than a 5 or 6 words command. Also try to be as vague as possible. Being especific is not helping when it comes to subconscious mind. See the difference: And this person can MAKE YOU FEEL AN INCREDIBLE CONNECTION appears in your life, do you know what I mean? (big commands, direct language = BAD) And when you see this person that you you have this incredible connection you just allow yourlsef to FEEL THIS growing deep inside, it's so natural, now with me (PAUSE) it's the same way. Do you know what I mean? (small commands, vague language (eg: "now with me it's the same way" - is it the same way the connection happen between us or is it the same way it happens with me and other people? pretty vague!) = GOOD) Try this in real world and let us know how it goes.

Author:	uncompletesex [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:22 am ]
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Quote: All good answers above, but also try to keep the embedded commands short as possible. A 2 or 3 words command gets into her mind easier than a 5 or 6 words command. Also try to be as vague as possible. Being especific is not helping when it comes to subconscious mind. See the difference: And this person can MAKE YOU FEEL AN INCREDIBLE CONNECTION appears in your life, do you know what I mean? (big commands, direct language = BAD) And when you see this person that you you have this incredible connection you just allow yourlsef to FEEL THIS growing deep inside, it's so natural, now with me (PAUSE) it's the same way. Do you know what I mean? (small commands, vague language (eg: "now with me it's the same way" - is it the same way the connection happen between us or is it the same way it happens with me and other people? pretty vague!) = GOOD) Try this in real world and let us know how it goes. Thanks mind hacker. But what about 3 or 4 word commands such as MAKE A CONNECTION and FEEL A GROWING BOND, or IMAGINE THAT TAKING PLACE, or ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. Do those get in the subconcious mind easy?

Author:	Mind Hacker [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:26 pm ]
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These would work. But keeping the commands to less words is the optimal.

Author:	rushdown23 [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:36 am ]
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Add in a double time distortion to make the connection more powerful, for example, "and, when you feel this connection, sometimes, a person can..just...STOP..(pause) and (pause) imagine a time in the future, say 6 months from now still feeling this incredible connection (or chemistry, or attraction, whatever her trance word is) and looking back on this moment (vague) as being the start of it.." Ross calls it a double time distortion because you are getting the person to imagine a time in the future, and then while she's in the future, you are getting her to look back on the past for 2 time distortions. Another way to make a connection pattern more powerful is to attempt to gain her trance word for it right at the beginning of the pattern. So, for example, "Me and my friends enjoy watching people, and you know how you can notice (pause..she's gonna think, "Notice what??")..how sometimes (pause)..you can really tell when two people (pause) are really feeling that....hmmm...what's the word for it....(let her interrupt you with her word. This word will be her trance word and you can substitute "connection" with whatever word she uses to amplify the power of the pattern).

Author:	Dr. Spargenator [ Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:01 am ]
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I have a question. Jw. When you say " so you'll go on and have good times and make good memories" is that suggesting to her that you and her will go on to have good times and good memories?

Author:	psychx [ Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:54 pm ]
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Do everything you said except the excessive pointing to yourself. If you're convinced it's the best way to go, sure.... But I think it sounds kinda lame to sit there and be like "isn't 'x' great then you blatantly show that you're trying to be 'x.' Good luck either way!

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Author:	exclusiveme [ Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:06 am ]
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Doesn't what work depend on the situation? I'm a beginner to this, so I may be wrong. But what's the purpose of this? What are you trying to create? and in what situation are you using this in? I just think that timing and situation is very important, however I could be wrong.