PUA Forum :: Launching into NLP/new model of SS, in the opener?

Possible Opener…

-“You know what’s interesting? Looking around at the bar at the people that are really connected .You can tell the people who are really connected those who are faking it. (maybe look around & let them look around a bit?). I think it’s all about signals they give off. What’s the 1st signal you.…feel… on the inside that lets you know that you are connected to the person you are talking to (self point).

(listen for response, guess it has something to do with butterflys/nervous/out of breath/heart pounding etc)

-“that’s interesting, my friend Jill says the same thing (repeat it back to her), she also says…( go into Incredible Connection pattern)”

If she doesn’t say anything launch into an IC pattern….

-“my friend Jill says the first thing she notices is shortness of breath.... & her heart pounding..... in an exciting way, & fluttering on the inside like butterflies, when she is around a person that she is really attracted to (self point)”

NLP is hypnosis pretty much.

And as any good hypnosis will tell you...

"In order to hypnotize someone, you must first build comfort and trust."

This should basically answer your question.

The only thing I would add to make it really work, is to pace first. The whole opener/routine/pattern is just pure leading. You need to pace the girl's reality first. Anything simple like:

"Hey, I saw you standing there looking around..."
"Hey, the party's not bad eh?"
"Hey, feeling comfy in that seat?"
etc.

Hypnotic patterns of SS only work in the context of rapport because that will cause your embedded commands to bypass her critical filter thing or whatever its called. As RJ says, it's like making a cake. If you don't put in the right ingredients in the right order, you're not going to end up with a cake.

The right way to open is to open with something that demonstrates that you match her state, or have a little more energy than her current state. In a Night Game environment like a bar or a club, you're going to have to open with something a lot more high-energy than an NLP pattern. Save the NLP for post-isolation.

Just would be nice if there was a way through NLP to capture her imagination from the very start & get her attention & connection built. If you use it when you are that far along, while it maybe useful, it sounds like you are already in.

If you ran the cube or strawberry fields before a connection pattern does it help that it gets the girl imagining stuff?

Author:	PUAdave [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:31 pm ]
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Studying the new method of Speed seduction it seems like it would be possible to launch into it as a pretty decent opener built in. Would like to know before wasting my time. You guys that practice this, is this realistic to do this before building some rapport or will the girls be apprehensive & in their own head in the 1st moments you speak to them? Isn't that actually a good thing as it “shakes them up out of” comfort state though & gets them thinking in their head, which I have also read about as a positive & easier to slip suggestions into. Also is it possible to do it on 2 or 3 girls at the same time since they are rarely alone? Quote: Possible Opener… -“You know what’s interesting? Looking around at the bar at the people that are really connected .You can tell the people who are really connected those who are faking it. (maybe look around & let them look around a bit?). I think it’s all about signals they give off. What’s the 1st signal you.…feel… on the inside that lets you know that you are connected to the person you are talking to (self point). (listen for response, guess it has something to do with butterflys/nervous/out of breath/heart pounding etc) -“that’s interesting, my friend Jill says the same thing (repeat it back to her), she also says…( go into Incredible Connection pattern)” If she doesn’t say anything launch into an IC pattern…. -“my friend Jill says the first thing she notices is shortness of breath.... & her heart pounding..... in an exciting way, & fluttering on the inside like butterflies, when she is around a person that she is really attracted to (self point)” Could that work or is that a little it to creepy an initial conversation that would require some rapport & at least some comfort. Any tweaks or advice are welcome as well.

Author:	LEPRECHAUN [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:17 pm ]
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NLP is hypnosis pretty much. And as any good hypnosis will tell you... "In order to hypnotize someone, you must first build comfort and trust." This should basically answer your question. Just entering the set and running this pattern, you are in essence proving to everyone at that table, that you are in fact, fixing to be trying to pick up someone at that table. Or they just might shut you down before you even have a chance to run your pattern on them. If open with, "You know what's interesting?" They could always come off with, "No, and we don't care." BOOM... whole group now does not want to talk to you and shuts you out because of that one person. From here, you "could" use another routine, where you lower that persons' status to the group by saying, "You can't take her no where can you?" If this doesn't have them laughing, if they start getting defensive, you could then say, "Wow. You guys are a tight group of friends, that is rare to find these days. Let me ask you (pause and look at two girls) you two... a question... How do you know each other?" They answer, "blah blah..." And from here, you should use the "best friend test" found either in "The Game" or found in "The Mystery Method". After you run this routine, you should be "accepted" into the group, and NOW... feel free to run some SS (NLP) techniques on them. NOTE: Every single form of seduction (meaning all the books) do in fact intertwine with each other. Not one "guru" has written a definitive guide on seduction. Each one of them has written about one part of the seduction that they know about... RJ: NLP techniques / hypnosis MM: Clubs/opening/negs/comfort building/trust building/staying in sets/etc. The Game: Opens your eyes to how it all comes together. David Shade: married women Juggler: maintaining conversations Tyler Durden: best about AMOGing David DeAngelo: cocky and funny There are others, but I don't feel like listing them all. I hope this has helped you out. And best of luck.

Author:	R.G. [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:28 pm ]
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Ross says there are three main components to SS: -Your state -Seductive language that lets you capture and lead their imagination -Making it real The latter part Ross added as SS progressed, because a couple decades back, patterning was very outlandish and difficult to communicate without seeming like a complete weirdo. The opener sounds fine for a two-set or a lone wolf - opening is more about body language and voice tonality than what you say in my opinion, so asking whether a few lines will work as an opener doesn't really mean much. As the person above me mentioned, in a group that wouldn't work, but patterning on a group is completely different anyway...I don't think you intended it for a group. The only thing I would add to make it really work, is to pace first. The whole opener/routine/pattern is just pure leading. You need to pace the girl's reality first. Anything simple like: "Hey, I saw you standing there looking around..." "Hey, the party's not bad eh?" "Hey, feeling comfy in that seat?" etc. That's the only real flaw. Have fun! -- Edit: Having actually read your post in its entirety, you can SS groups of girls, you just have to make it generic, follow the Milton Model and adapt as you would with common sense. This reminds me of about a month ago now I was with my wing Max who is pretty heavy on the NLP, and we lead these girls up to some random coorporate building...there was about 8 of us sitting in a circle on the floor, and he absolutely PUMPED buying temperature for the whole group through NLP. The sexual tension was immense, you can really feel those amazing feelings. So it is possible. I think it had a lot to do with his strong frame.

Author:	Chief [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:34 pm ]
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Hypnotic patterns of SS only work in the context of rapport because that will cause your embedded commands to bypass her critical filter thing or whatever its called. As RJ says, it's like making a cake. If you don't put in the right ingredients in the right order, you're not going to end up with a cake. The right way to open is to open with something that demonstrates that you match her state, or have a little more energy than her current state. In a Night Game environment like a bar or a club, you're going to have to open with something a lot more high-energy than an NLP pattern. Save the NLP for post-isolation.

Author:	PUAdave [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:35 pm ]
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Quote: NLP is hypnosis pretty much. And as any good hypnosis will tell you... "In order to hypnotize someone, you must first build comfort and trust." This should basically answer your question. While this makes sense, watch this video of Ross Jefferies at work. He captures this women imagination in seconds from the open. Granted he has a film crew with him that probably got her attention, & the enviorment is much different than a bar, but the cold reading is what really showed authority in her world.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn_oqEOtLYU Quote: The only thing I would add to make it really work, is to pace first. The whole opener/routine/pattern is just pure leading. You need to pace the girl's reality first. Anything simple like: "Hey, I saw you standing there looking around..." "Hey, the party's not bad eh?" "Hey, feeling comfy in that seat?" etc. How about if the opener was something like. Just noticing you & I can tell you have a deep connection with your friend (I guess this is a cold reading, anything else generic I could add to capture their attention). then maybe go into how do you know each other? Then launch into it with the routine maybe?

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Author:	PUAdave [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:38 pm ]
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Quote: Hypnotic patterns of SS only work in the context of rapport because that will cause your embedded commands to bypass her critical filter thing or whatever its called. As RJ says, it's like making a cake. If you don't put in the right ingredients in the right order, you're not going to end up with a cake. The right way to open is to open with something that demonstrates that you match her state, or have a little more energy than her current state. In a Night Game environment like a bar or a club, you're going to have to open with something a lot more high-energy than an NLP pattern. Save the NLP for post-isolation. So basically you need to run some Mystery Method or other game first to get her interested build comfort & rapport, issolate & then run the NLP.

Author:	LEPRECHAUN [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:56 pm ]
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I don't watch videos because it's hard to tell if that was in fact an "act" or if it was "the real deal". Now, if it would have been a "hidden" camera, then it might be a little more "credible." But, seeing how the woman knew the camera was there, and she knew what RJ was trying to do. She went along with it for the "viewers pleasure." Now, she said that she felt good talking to him... of course she felt good, she was getting attention from a guy that had his own camera crew with him, she thought that he was a star or whatever. She wanted to be on TV, even though she said that she didn't care about being on TV... Bullshit. Some might argue that I don't want to believe it or whatever, but I do believe in NLP and hypnosis. I use it my game also. I just make sure to have the comfort and trust built up so that it breeds "familiarity" with the girl. So, in closing, yes... it is best to have comfort and trust built up in the person or persons in which you want to use this stuff on.

Author:	PUAdave [ Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:11 pm ]
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Just would be nice if there was a way through NLP to capture her imagination from the very start & get her attention & connection built. If you use it when you are that far along, while it maybe useful, it sounds like you are already in. Does anyone have any copies or files of "Magical Connection" with Orion & Kamal? Or could direct me to a place to get it. I have heard about it, & would love to watch some live NLP in action & how they get into it at what points in the sarge. Tried to download from several places with no luck.

Author:	R.G. [ Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:10 pm ]
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Quote: Just would be nice if there was a way through NLP to capture her imagination from the very start & get her attention & connection built. If you use it when you are that far along, while it maybe useful, it sounds like you are already in. In those few lines your raised some excellent points, which not everyone realises who doesn't use NLP a lot in their game. In the past I had this dilemma for a while, whereby NLP appeared to be most useful to me after the isolation or when going for the close. But as you rightfully said, surely you have it in the bag by then anyway? I've since been using NLP SO Heavy from the open, right off the bat and I can tell you now it is definately possible - Simply approach and say something situational to pace, then immediately 'launch' into patterning, if you will, by transitioning with a softener such as 'just curious...' or 'I was just reading a psychology book and...' etc. It is often a good idea to ask a question about them that get's them to imagine themselves doing something. This sends them in their head, bypasses their critical faculty while you take the opportunity to feed her subconscious embedded messages. I actually did this at Borders today (bookstore) as I was reading a fantastic psychology book on flirting, and happened to spot a girl wearing tights. If a fit girl is wearing tights, you can trust me to be talking to her in no time. I did video this particular pickup but there's a bigass shelf in the way!! Don't worry, I will get there with this video thing. Soon I can show you what I mean when I say "heavy" on NLP =)

Author:	PUAdave [ Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:42 am ]
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If you ran the cube or strawberry fields before a connection pattern does it help that it gets the girl imagining stuff?

Author:	AJ_ATX [ Thu May 07, 2009 1:39 am ]
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Quote: If you ran the cube or strawberry fields before a connection pattern does it help that it gets the girl imagining stuff? This a really good question, I'd like to know also. It seems like it would be a great idea.

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