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Author:  The Doctor [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:00 pm ]
Post subject:  How NLP can help your game
I'm so tired of people who know very little about NLP making sweeping statements and judgements about it, as if NLP is some sort of trick, or the other school who assume its some useless gimmick. NLP is a compilation of 3 models for therapy... and really for our purposes can be broken into 2 main parts... Which are basically cognitive concepts and hypnotic concepts... Here I'm going to focus more on the cognitive and less on the hypnotics and give you 3 couple quick types that can ramp up the effectiveness of your communication instantly.

NLP Rule #1: In order for the mind to understand a visual concept it must first visualize the concept. I think its obvious why this can help us, by painting a word picture in your conversations you can in effect control your targets mental movie screen.

NLP Rule #2: If we are told something and dont consciously refute it, then our subconscious accepts it as fact. I like to 'throw and go' using this concept... much like MM suggests you stack negs... For example you throw out a reverse SOI... and then go. EG: your on whatever thread and she ioi's you in a way you particularly liked... say something like "It's so adorable when you try to impress me" and without pausing you resume the thread... without giving her a chance to refute the fact that she's trying to impress you... you've just started conditioning her to believe that she is in fact wanting to impress you... regardless of if she origionally was trying to or not.

NLP Rule #3: The mind does not recognize 'no' or its similiar derivatives. Pretty simple here and a great way to make things your saying less invasive and if you have the right vibe... it can make things plain out flirty fun.


So just using these quick tips you can up your effectiveness in conversations. Have fun.... and whatever you do... DO NOT think about flying pink elephants. :)
Author:  JSmooth [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:47 pm ]
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Great Post man!

I think NLP gets a really bad rap so to speak because of the way it's blown out of context. Thanks for bringing it into a good light.
Author:  zhukaching [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:56 pm ]
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great post, you solved my problem in storytelling.. now im gonna make every of my sets think about flying pink elephant =P
Author:  Jaybot [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:07 pm ]
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I am really trying to get into the NLP stuff now, it is absolutely genius and can be used in every aspect of your life. Quick question for anyone that is good at it, do you eventually just naturally match what you are saying to people's lead system or is it always a conscious thing?
Author:  madals [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:14 pm ]
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Well said. NLP is no more magic to people who understand it than a PUA is magic to an AFC.
Author:  The Doctor [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:43 pm ]
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I am really trying to get into the NLP stuff now, it is absolutely genius and can be used in every aspect of your life. Quick question for anyone that is good at it, do you eventually just naturally match what you are saying to people's lead system or is it always a conscious thing?
I dont even think about it anymore... I mean if I want to I can slow down the process and think about it... say for the reasons of explaining what I'm doing... but once you get into it and practice it... the basics like these can become second nature quickly and easily
Author:  Jaybot [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:50 pm ]
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Ideal because the only thing that has made me apprehensive about learning is that it will just be another lot of things to remember but yar thats good news cheers :)
Author:  Buria [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:31 pm ]
Post subject:  NLP is bad Pseudoscience
I would argue against any in depth study of NLP, except of course for entertainment purposes only, similar to palmistry. NLP has little to no scientific standing or basis in reality as a model for anything that human minds do. I think we as a community need to apply a more stringent litmus test to the sources that we refer to in terms of social or psychological research. While the parable of the blind men describing the elephant rings true for any highly complex object, only those materials which offer objective truth should be considered as anything more than a magic feather for a man seeking to understand social interactions, his own mind, or the minds of any other human. To this test, NLP is found severely lacking, and has been abandoned as a whole by the scientific psychological community as anything more than fanciful stories which while interesting, just aren't true. Much like religious tales, or mythology, interesting, but useless as a reliable model of reality.
Author:  JSmooth [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NLP is bad Pseudoscience
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I would argue against any in depth study of NLP, except of course for entertainment purposes only, similar to palmistry. NLP has little to no scientific standing or basis in reality as a model for anything that human minds do. I think we as a community need to apply a more stringent litmus test to the sources that we refer to in terms of social or psychological research. While the parable of the blind men describing the elephant rings true for any highly complex object, only those materials which offer objective truth should be considered as anything more than a magic feather for a man seeking to understand social interactions, his own mind, or the minds of any other human. To this test, NLP is found severely lacking, and has been abandoned as a whole by the scientific psychological community as anything more than fanciful stories which while interesting, just aren't true. Much like religious tales, or mythology, interesting, but useless as a reliable model of reality.

Let me say this. A lot of the fathers of this community: Ross Jeffries, David DeAngelo, Steve Piccus, and Hypnotica have certifications in or have learned NLP. Also, many of the other mPUAs and guru's study NLP as and apply it in their teachings. There is a large list of community "gurus" that know much more than you or I, that use it.

Regardless of the abandonment of the scientific community, it's getting us girls! :D By the way, how often do those guys get laid? Besides, those scientists are the same type of guys that all agreed the earth must be flat a few hundred years ago.

After knowing that the founders of the community are deeply rooted in NLP and have been using it's teaching to get results for years. What more stringent of a "litmus" test did you have in mind? :)
Author:  Buria [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:58 pm ]
Post subject:  It's getting us girls, good enough?
The argument of it's getting us girls may be adequate for some, but one could go on to further ask "Why is the application of NLP conducive to the art of attracting women?" That would be my suggestion. Because it has very little value as a model of describing the way human brains function on any level, you might as well try studying Dianetics to attract women. :roll: I'd also disagree with your assessment of the modern scientific community, the Cognitive theory of mind has brought about profound understanding in the way our minds work, down to (with the help of games theory) calculating the precise mathematical functions of the human decision making processes. The seduction community has seen more value out of the Selfish Gene, by Richard Dawkins, than any 20 NLP books combined.
Author:  The Big Bad Wolf [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:21 pm ]
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Great Post.

Buria, You may want to understand NLP as more of a model for communication, specifically Effective communication.

A breakdown of patterns in the most effective therapists at the time it was created, and continuously evolved since that time.
Starting with Structure of Magic, which broke down the beliefs and communication models of Virginia Satir, Milton Erickson, Fritz Perls, Gregory Bateson, through thinking that was influenced by General Semantics and the teachings of Alfred Korzybski.

This systematic approach to effective communication, which, as stated above, started with seeking to find what was the common denominators for people who were efficiently changing the beliefs of others in therapy, brought in Hypnosis after a while, and is now a model which can be learned by anyone.

It's not complicated, even though it is complex, and can be used with success to alter or remove less than positive beliefs through the simple aid of understanding how language affects us, and how this can be used to direct thought, energy, whatever you call it.

No Hocus pocus. No one hypnotizing you. No magical stick. Just a systematic approach to language, and the naturally following integrating of powerful language through experience and usage.

It comes down to altering peoples model of the world,
As stated by Korzybski in the 30ies "The Map is not the territory; The word is not the thing defined"

It also deals with applying Non-Aristotelian logic as a replacement for Aristotelian logic, which is what the western society runs on mostly today (and 70 years ago when this stuff was first presented)


I see no reason that realizing when people use visual terms, communicating back to them in visual terms makes them see things clearer, is not something you can use for personal benefit.

The same is the realization that the unconscious, or by some called the subconscious, does not compute, disregards the linguistic negative.

(Try telling somebody "don't swallow" and see how long it takes them to swallow... I hope you didn't swallow right now just to prove my point.)


;) back to topic; NLP is in my eyes a tool that can be applied to any part of your life that requires communication... and as NLPers state "You can not not communicate" so that means I think it applies to most any or every part of life.
Knowing how to do it, and then training your mind to do this automatically so that you're free to focus on other things will probably increase your efficiency a lot... I may be wrong, it may only increase a little... or you may find that you need to concentrate to be able to do this right now..

You may not even have an unconscious (if you're a Scientologist this seems to be their goal.)

:D :D
Author:  David~ [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:49 pm ]
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Can I use NLP to give myself orgasms without jerking myself off? I have a minor case of carpel tunnel so it's really getting difficult.
Author:  Buria [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Hypnosis and jerking off sans jerking off.
Check out Isabella Valentine's recording of "Jackpot-No Hands." You will totally bust one without touching yourself, fun stuff. This falls under more traditional hypnosis, and I am unsure how it relates to NLP.
Author:  Makata [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:01 pm ]
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Y'know, FYI: there's a lot of NLP notions implicit in the PUA stuff floating around out there.

The idea of breaking a big topic into more easily "digestible" (as in more easily learned) chunks (what some folks call "chunking"), for one.

Learning how to get better at something by watching and following the example of someone better than you is another--in NLP, they call it "modeling". This is something all of us have been doing all of our lives, starting with our parents...depending on the model we learned from, we got stuff that "works", and stuff that "doesn't work" (well, depending on the moment's context)!

The phenomenon of how when you and someone else are really vibing and connecting, having a great time, that you begin to mirror (to greater or lesser degrees) each other's body language...how "like matches like" when you are both in rapport...that's a thing often mentioned in NLP teachings.

The idea that hypnotic trance is *nothing special*--that all of us go into and out of it all day long, that it's a natural phenomenon, and that we can harness it in ourselves and in other people...that's an interesting train of thought in NLP.

I'm not saying this stuff is "special" to NLP, and yeah, sure--there are things that really need to be studied, perhaps learned from a teacher, and practiced constantly (all the Ericksonian waking trancework speech pattern stuff, all the therapy-oriented stuff, blah, blah, blah)...my point is that there's a lot of useful things that can be picked up from the study of NLP, which then can be applied to--well, whatever you like, really.

One shouldn't rely *only* on this stuff, though.

Working on becoming a strong, good, well-rounded person (aka: "Inner Game") is much more important--indeed, it's utterly vital. Then, the study of social dynamics, and how they play out in the world, amongst people...that's also critical. Personally, I'm focusing on that stuff first--and I'm cracking open some of the basic NLP books, purely for fun, with an open mind. I mean, never stop learning, right? Frankly, I'm not even thinking about applying this stuff in a seduction context right now.

NLP is...maybe something some folks might find interesting.
It's not essential, but it's fascinating. One can find some good concepts, and maybe find something that will help them grow as a person. But it depends on the person, really.

A great example of applied NLP/Ericksonian hypnosis is Hypnotica's work.
For whatever it's worth, I recommend him highly--all his stuff is incredibly well-done, and pretty damned awesome, definitely worth your hard-earned money. :)

Hope this helped! :D
Author:  David~ [ Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:04 pm ]
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Check out Isabella Valentine's recording of "Jackpot-No Hands." You will totally bust one without touching yourself, fun stuff. This falls under more traditional hypnosis, and I am unsure how it relates to NLP.
Nice. Does she moan and scream while describing her flacid, loose vagina?
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