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Author:  innuendo [ Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:54 pm ]
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i'm new to nlp, only just started looking into it, so sorry if this is a stupid post

Is it possible to elicite a feeling of happiness through a pattern with somone you haven't had previous contact with?


basically i was at a party and i said to a girl can i have your seat and ill let you danse, (her friend had just said they wanted to danse) this girl responed with why are you being mean to me, im not that drunk im gonna give you my seat! then she was just acting like i was being mean?!

i had no bad intentions towards the girl and id said nothing wrong, this girl was just clearly not in a good mood, i couldn t think of anything to do but walk away, but that got me thinking maybe theres a pattern out there where you can elicit a good mood, and i could have continued talking with her?

is that possible or have i got the wrong end of the stick, do you need to pre condition people before you can elicit different states?
Author:  Plethora [ Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:54 pm ]
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Yes. If someone has experienced a state before, you can have them re-experience it through patterns.
Author:  The Big Bad Wolf [ Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:03 am ]
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The most universal anchor for happy states is : smiling ^^

Smiles are associated with happiness. So smile.
Either that or build a routine around the question; "What makes you the most happy?",
Just talk about happy things, exciting experiences, etc.
If she talks about places and earlier occasions in which she has felt a certain way she will most likely go into those states she had at those moments.

if I'm fuzzy, it's because it''s 6 am and I'm drunk.
Author:  russianbear [ Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:16 pm ]
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Yes. If someone has experienced a state before, you can have them re-experience it through patterns.
Not exactly true. She doesn't have to have experienced them before. You can describe them in a what if scenario.

One thing you can do that goes along with The Wolf is to use anchors. When I'm doing hypnosis, I speak in a regular voice while describing conscious processes, but I drop my tonality to my "hypnotic voice" when describing unconscious processes. Later, when I'm ready to do trance work, my voice serves as an anchor. One thing you can do is, whenever you're talking about a state you really want her to feel, like, say, horny, you can anchor it. I would suggest a subtle wink. So, you're chatting, "blah, blah, blah" you get to the state you want. casually wink at her while talking. Do this every time you are describing the state. The anchor will work.
Author:  R.G. [ Fri Dec 19, 2008 5:13 pm ]
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This is actually very interesting for me at the moment, because one of my lady friends was too drunk and thus very upset whilst sobering up yesterday, and I made up a happiness pattern as I used NLP and hypnosis to bring her back into a state of happiness, and we went out dancing again.

Let me make up such a pattern for you now so you can see how it works.

HB: (Crying)..."just go away...I'm sorry...my life is so bad"
PUA: "You're life is so bad. You're right, this is so shit. EVERYTHING IS SHIT!!"

What you are doing here is creating rapport. You match her state. When there are extreme states though, it is always better to go one step deeper than her, then pace and lead her out of it. I once attended an NLP conference where the instructors tamed a crazy and dangerous jumping-about horse by jumping about and shouting even more than the horse, then gradually becoming more and more still

HB: (Still crying). (Let's say you're both sitting down, she is leaning forward with her head in her hands)
PUA: "You don't need to relax totally, but lean back with me" (Pull her shoulder back).

Now you have done a mini-pattern interrupt. By changing her body language, you are taking her out of her state. Now both your body languages are matched. Her breathing is heavy, but yours is heavier. When hers matches yours, you slow yours down a bit more, and so on until hers is back to normal.

PUA: "Well done, you know, you're really cool. My mate Jim told me the other day not to feel really good or just laugh all of a sudden, because he told me that you can feel not so happy one second, but then the next just have a fit of giggles...have you ever had that experience when you just can't stop laughing?"

HB: "Yea...(stopped crying now but looking down)"

PUA: "Were you with a friend or?"

Here you are taking her back to a time she felt happy emotions. In order to understand and remember the time, she has to feel the emotions, just like when you watch the end of a romance film, everyone watching has their hands joined together. (Watch out for this next time, it's really amazing).

HB: "Yeah...my friend from work"

PUA: "That's cool. How does it feel when you feel really happy and you laugh so much that you just can't contain it? I mean for me I get the giggles in my stomach, you know what I mean?"

HB: "Yeah...I get that too"

PUA: "Whereabouts in your body do you feel that?"

HB: (Points to stomach)

PUA: "Wow...you must feel incredibly giggly when that happens! When you feel so good and you're laughing too much, what do you do to try to stop it? I mean my mate walked into a glass door the other day and I just burst out laughing, he was on the floor like DYING and i was just laughing so much I bit my tongue it didn't stop!"

Ok, so apart from the embedded commands and fractionation, you are presupposing the feeling of happiness and laughing by asking her what she does IN ORDER TO STOP IT. Very powerful.

PUA: "So you said that you feel those feelings of happiness here right?" (Points to her stomach)

HB: "Yeah...hhehe"

PUA: "That must feel totally gigglish haha...what colour do you think that feeling would be?"

HB: "Red.."

PUA: "Omg, you're not gonna freak me out with your seductive redness are you!?"

HB: "Noooo haha"

PUA: "And how does that redness feel when it's emanating so brightly, right............there........(points to stomach)"

HB: "Kinda giggly I guess..."

PUA: "And how does that make you feel as a whole?"

HB: "Really good I suppose...I just feel all warm inside."

PUA: "Wow, that's amazing when you just feel all warm inside. So I was reading this psychology textbook the other day, and it says that as you look at me, and you take that amazing red feeling in your stomach, where you feel all warm inside, and let it grow....just close your eyes now with me....and let that red grow all over you....as you breathe in, the red gets thicker and brighter....and breathe out, it gets bigger....(repeat what you just said a few times), until it is totally surrounding you. Man, I hope you're not too happy right now, I don't know if you can feel so happy but i can feel that, it feels so good don't you think!? (Fire anchor simultaneously)

HB: "Yeah!!! FUCK ME NOW" (lol)

Ok I can't be bothered to explain all that but we used trance words and some hypnotic techniques. You should be anchoring the state of happiness the whole way through but I couldn't be bothered to write (anchor) at every point in the pattern.

In Speed Seduction, there are FOUR DOORWAYS to success with patterning:

4 doorways

-emotional connections
-visualising
-body sensations
-asking questions that allow her to access her core identity in order to answer you (eliciting her values)

We used all of them to some extent, although it could be improved upon.

Hope this helps.
Author:  The Big Bad Wolf [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 3:39 pm ]
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Great stuff Gamble,
I think it's beautiful the way you manage to incorporate symbolic morphology (I think the term was coined by IN10SE)
By taking a feeling, in this case that happy, gigglish feeling, and connecting it to a symbol, The colour Red.

What then happens when you manipulate the symbol is that it also changes the emotional state it symbolizes.

By making the colour more intense, perhaps you even picture turning up the saturation, like with old tv-sets. Or watching what happens when you turn up the brightness. You can even picture the colour red in the shape of a ball, and watch what happens inside when you allow this shape to grow. Getting bigger.

I love this technique.
There's even a sort of hidden anchor in here.
By eliciting this emotional state, and manipulating it, letting it grow, allowing it to become more intense, and so on. The fact that she is in the presence of you anchors this to you. to your voice, (if you alter your tonality slightly, then that may become an anchor.) to your physique, and so on.

Think about it, If you have someone you've done tons of great stuff with, doesn't just being with this person bring a lot of great feelings ?

Once again, Gamble, I love the way you apply this stuff.
Author:  sheeshkabab [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:45 pm ]
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hey gamble .. how come you didnt mold it into a symbol and then move it around a bit ... or is that not necessary
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