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is NLP wrong? Morally?

Depends what your morals are. For the most part, no I do not think it is.
Everyone has the framework of NLP in their speech and conversational skills already, the best speakers more than others. NLP is just studying these skills and be able to deliver them consciously. Speed seduction incorporates about 25% of what NLP is all about, but if you are referring just to this then lets take a look.

Speed seduction is a form of manipulation, but manipulation shouldn't have a negative stigma attached to it. For example, when you buy a girl a drink or take her out for dinner, you are trying to manipulate her into sleeping with you. Also when a girl spends an hour making herself look pretty, it is also to manipulate more positive responses from other. SS along with the other schools of PUA are just much more effective ways to make women more attracted or w/e you desire towards you, and in most cases is not morally wrong.

If you have a strong mastery of NLP and patterns, then this field can be very powerful. It can be used in harmful ways such as The Hospital pattern or The Door pattern. You can change the internal workings of women and have them obsessed over you, which may lead to consequences if you choose to discard them later. All of Ross Jeffries stuff is completely harmless and he does not use extreme patterns that can possibly mess people up (ie. the Forbidden Patterns).

Ross's form of SS is achieved by creating an emotional state in the woman so she feels very good, then linking that to you. I do not believe there is anything morally wrong with this as you are providing her with an emotional experience that she relishes and usually can not find with other men. I'd say go for it, but be careful when using patterns that cause dependence on you or a fear of the outside world.

Author:	Harleystcool [ Sat Nov 29, 2008 12:46 am ]
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I'm more into natural suduction, like Zan Perssions way, but I want to date the cutest girls, and to get that result I will do anything to get it, so is NLP wrong? Morally? What are your guys opinion on it?

Author:	Plethora [ Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:40 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Is nlp wrong?
Quote: is NLP wrong? Morally? Depends what your morals are. For the most part, no I do not think it is. Everyone has the framework of NLP in their speech and conversational skills already, the best speakers more than others. NLP is just studying these skills and be able to deliver them consciously. Speed seduction incorporates about 25% of what NLP is all about, but if you are referring just to this then lets take a look. Speed seduction is a form of manipulation, but manipulation shouldn't have a negative stigma attached to it. For example, when you buy a girl a drink or take her out for dinner, you are trying to manipulate her into sleeping with you. Also when a girl spends an hour making herself look pretty, it is also to manipulate more positive responses from other. SS along with the other schools of PUA are just much more effective ways to make women more attracted or w/e you desire towards you, and in most cases is not morally wrong. If you have a strong mastery of NLP and patterns, then this field can be very powerful. It can be used in harmful ways such as The Hospital pattern or The Door pattern. You can change the internal workings of women and have them obsessed over you, which may lead to consequences if you choose to discard them later. All of Ross Jeffries stuff is completely harmless and he does not use extreme patterns that can possibly mess people up (ie. the Forbidden Patterns). Ross's form of SS is achieved by creating an emotional state in the woman so she feels very good, then linking that to you. I do not believe there is anything morally wrong with this as you are providing her with an emotional experience that she relishes and usually can not find with other men. I'd say go for it, but be careful when using patterns that cause dependence on you or a fear of the outside world.

Author:	Harleystcool [ Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Is nlp wrong?
Quote: Quote: is NLP wrong? Morally? Depends what your morals are. For the most part, no I do not think it is. Everyone has the framework of NLP in their speech and conversational skills already, the best speakers more than others. NLP is just studying these skills and be able to deliver them consciously. Speed seduction incorporates about 25% of what NLP is all about, but if you are referring just to this then lets take a look. Speed seduction is a form of manipulation, but manipulation shouldn't have a negative stigma attached to it. For example, when you buy a girl a drink or take her out for dinner, you are trying to manipulate her into sleeping with you. Also when a girl spends an hour making herself look pretty, it is also to manipulate more positive responses from other. SS along with the other schools of PUA are just much more effective ways to make women more attracted or w/e you desire towards you, and in most cases is not morally wrong. If you have a strong mastery of NLP and patterns, then this field can be very powerful. It can be used in harmful ways such as The Hospital pattern or The Door pattern. You can change the internal workings of women and have them obsessed over you, which may lead to consequences if you choose to discard them later. All of Ross Jeffries stuff is completely harmless and he does not use extreme patterns that can possibly mess people up (ie. the Forbidden Patterns). Ross's form of SS is achieved by creating an emotional state in the woman so she feels very good, then linking that to you. I do not believe there is anything morally wrong with this as you are providing her with an emotional experience that she relishes and usually can not find with other men. I'd say go for it, but be careful when using patterns that cause dependence on you or a fear of the outside world. Very good points, thanks

Author:	R.G. [ Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:52 pm ]
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NLP does not manipulate a girl to like you. NLP enables the GIRL to use the resources she has to manipulate HERSELF to like you. It basically makes her want to like you, rather than just plain influencing her to like you by whatever means. So no, it is far from unethical. I think most people can't use it effectively the that point anyway. It can be used unethically though, to commit fraud for instance, which I have had experience of but I will say no more for obvious reasons.

Author:	V1V [ Mon Dec 01, 2008 4:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Is nlp wrong?
Quote: I'm more into natural suduction, like Zan Perssions way, but I want to date the cutest girls, and to get that result I will do anything to get it, so is NLP wrong? Morally? What are your guys opinion on it? Natural??? Complete perception issue. Everything that happens to you is NLP to a certain extent. Natural game is NLP. When people use MM what are they doing? The DHV spikes are put in to ''put her under ur spell. Silly billy.

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Author:	L.H. [ Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:09 pm ]
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well, im not using it too much. but then again, im lying when I open and tell stories - so I guess anything goes right (morally)? i only do it to girls that i have no intension of dating - just for fun

Author:	NYMatt [ Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:21 am ]
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I don't think it is.

Author:	Harleystcool [ Tue Dec 09, 2008 6:52 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Is nlp wrong?
Quote: Quote: I'm more into natural suduction, like Zan Perssions way, but I want to date the cutest girls, and to get that result I will do anything to get it, so is NLP wrong? Morally? What are your guys opinion on it? Natural??? Complete perception issue. Everything that happens to you is NLP to a certain extent. Natural game is NLP. When people use MM what are they doing? The DHV spikes are put in to ''put her under ur spell. Silly billy. Very good point also, i didn't think of it that way

Author:	The Big Bad Wolf [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:56 pm ]
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Whatever the fuck you use to create and inspire good feelings; whether you recognize what to do or stumble through it by yourself until you understand (or don't); neither are immoral. Knowing NLP is like realizing that emotional states and feelings alike are things that are created, not something created by gods or whatever; Knowing what emotions, feelings and all that is; and knowing how to help people feel these things that they long for is not immoral; It's just a shortcut. dig ? However; making people feel bad because you take pleasure in others pain is a sad thing, what we would refer to as pathetic; especially since you have the tools to change this worldview you probably would have, was this your current situation, into something better; or more precisely; more mutually beneficial, more supporting and creative. nothing immoral about knowing how and why people feel; as you most likely only will use it to create good, positive states. (Just stay away from stuff like the door pattern and such, as those focus on negative emotional states and are therefore cleverly disguised with a "do not touch" / "Forbidden" sign)

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