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Author:  Facher [ Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:33 am ]
Post subject:  How to frame-control
Greetings, I'm back. Still trying to learn this whole NLP-thing.

Alright, my question: What exactly is a frame, how do I keep it strong and how do I control it?

Now, as far as I know my frame is my image of reality (or "map"). Therefore keeping my frame strong would be to never let go of any values or believes, right? Now, that would make me an asshole.

HB: I like X
ME: (Does not like X) I hate X

This would be, from what I know, to keep my frame strong. But then, how do I control other's frames?

I really need to get a grip of this whole thing. Any help - direct or linked - is appriciated!

Thanks in advance
Facher.
Author:  Chief [ Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:49 am ]
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Proper frame control does not make you an asshole. It makes you charismatic.

Frame control is not about controlling other people's frames. It's about masterfully controlling your own frame so that it naturally sucks others into your frame by their own accord.

Everything in pickup is actually about controlling your own damn self, but too many people focus on controlling others, which is why only a select few rise above to become excellent.
Author:  Facher [ Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:25 pm ]
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It is all about controlling other people, isn't it? The PUA want to make HB feel attraction, therefore the PUA want's to control the emotional state of a HB.

Call it controlling your own frame, in order to 'suck' ppl into it - it is in the end the same as controlling them.

Anyhow; could you please explain how you control your frame in such a way that it sucks other prople into it? Wouldn't this be the same as convincing people?

Finally; If you were never to abandon your frame, you would be unable to engage in discussions because you could never be wrong.

Am I *SO* not understanding this?
Author:  Devious [ Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:06 pm ]
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Frame control is not such a foreign or difficult concept. It's probably already something you're doing in some way. Starting with A3, just about everything you do--teasing, push/pull, compliance testing--is aimed towards making your target feel like she is trying to seduce you (not the other way around). By doing this, you establish a frame built on the message "I am the prize. If you're good, you might be able to win me".

You do this while still being playful and fun. It doesn't have to, and shouldn't be, oppressive or heavy handed. You don't control your target. Rather, you control your frame, and your target plays along with it.
Author:  alpha3 [ Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:19 pm ]
Post subject:  2 cents on Frame control
Frame control is everywhere from Politics, Movies, Humor, and in the Workplace. IMHO the best movie plots give you one view and then completly switch the frame ie sixth sense. Another example is a 95% reduction in taxes a tax cut or welfare. If McCain can convince people it is welfare he wins if Obama convinces the people that it is a tax cut he wins. They are both fighting for the FRAME.

Ambiguties abound everywhere. So we must make sense of these disconnects or lack of data. The world is a confusing and complicated place. Everyone has a different perspective with a wide variety of backgrounds. Frame control is simply MY responding to these ambiguities in the world in a way that is advantagous to ME. Since a majority of communication occurs with body language tone and the way we say things it is easy to draw conclusions that favor ME. So when she calls me a dick. I respond with the frame that she is getting sexual with me. This has many covert implications.

A new person makes a decision about you within 3 minutes and with big gapping holes in the data about you. Controling the frame allows her to paint over these big gapping holes with pretty pictures.
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