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Author:  gameover0000 [ Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:08 am ]
Post subject:  Need help with learning language patterns.
Hey guys I just want to start off by saying that i've read/listened the power of conversational hypnosis, a really good program actually. and as of recently i've been working on my inner game and it's helped out tremendously. But to get to the point, I need some advice on learning language patterns, particularly the milton model i guess. I've read about weasel phrases and linkage phrases from Ross but i just don't know how I can go about actually thinking of patterns on the fly, in set. Is it a matter of repetition or what? Thanks in advance. :D
Author:  Spierkat [ Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need help with learning language patterns.
Also read Trance-formation, Dave Riker's speed seduction and Bishop's Journal.
1. Practice the linguistic bridges in The Power of Conversational Hypnosis and master it, that's basically the Milton model.
2. Example of relaxation pattern:

Pace current experience - as you're sitting there, breathing in and out, feeling the sensations the chair brings to you, perhaps you can begin to relax, which means your breathing slows down, to the point where you can just imagine drifting on a soft white cloud or a drop of water resting on a leaf.

This is just a fast example........test it on someone. Slow down your speech tempo.....develop a rythm...Pace the breathing rate of the person.

How do you feel when you're in love with someone? Give a description of how you feel....that's a pattern.

How fast did you go trough Igor's course?
Author:  gameover0000 [ Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need help with learning language patterns.
I read richard bandlers guide to trance-formation and dave rikers speed seduction technical manual, havent read bishops journal yet. and i went through Igors course in i'd say a week or 2 and after that just went over some of the cds again like cd 4 and cd 6. and by practice the linguistic bridges, do you mean like rereading them, or writing them down over and over? (and then obviously going out in field) Lately i've been rereading the language pattern cards to try and memorize them all but i find trouble understand how the pattern ''most people can, [NAME]. It just doesn't sound like it would make any sense if i just say the persons name in the middle of a sentence lol
Author:  Spierkat [ Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need help with learning language patterns.
You have to read it and practice it verbally, but first you can write down simple patterns using themes.
Regarding linguistic bridges, Ross calls them weasel phrases and Igor calls them linguistic bridges which is also called the Milton model. In the English language it's referred to as conjunctions.

MY ADVICE: STUDY IGOR AND READ BISHOP'S JOURNAL, THE SEXUAL KEY, ROSS' stuff and see how they apply it to seduction. Read everything you can find about David Shade.

I would like you to go to page 501 on your manual and you will notice that there are 20 steps to mastering conversational hypnosis. Spend a week or two on each technique and really master it. You need to practice it verbally because it is conversational.

Example:

Week 1: Technique 1 - Linguistic bridges

When you are at home practice and when you're outside and have conversations with people, incorporate the bridges. This is the time when you want to apply the knowledge you have learnt.
Note: You use linguistic bridges to describe themes.

A lady might talk about her kids and you can use this for a pattern and link it to you.
Pattern:
Most people can....Jane find a sense of love and happiness....when you look into these eyes. It's as
if....your whole world is right in front of you....and isn't it amazing that you can....experience this,
now with me....think this a rare and special gift to have.

Breakdown:

The pattern creates ambiguity. On a conscious level your talking about the good feelings children can bring into her life whilst unconsciously everything is linked to you.

Most people can,[NAME] - weasel phrase
find a sense of love and happiness(self point) - embedded command plus you anchor it to you,
remember Dave Riker said the easiest form of
anchoring is pointing to yourself when things are
positive and pointing away when things are negative.
It's as if - weasel phrase
your whole world is right in front of you(self point) - embedded command plus you anchor it to
you.
experience this, now with me - changes the meaning of the sentence. It creates confusion to
the listener. In your manual on page 227 at the bottom read it.
Read Bishop's journal and notice how he incorporates this.
this is a rare and special gift to have - self point which anchors you as a rare and special gift
to have.

You can write down some patterns and post it if you would like. This is just simple breakdown.
You have read Trance-formations, if you can remember, please give me an example on how to destroy resistance.
Author:  gameover0000 [ Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Need help with learning language patterns.
Thanks a lot for your very comprehensive reply to my topic. I like how you gave me the actual pages to look up and not just leave me hanging. I read the sexual key 2 or 3 times. It's the first book that actually gave me some success in nlp seduction using hot words (He describes them as bubblewords and sensewords). SPAM I'm working at creating an unbroken flow of ideas and it's going pretty well, I'm starting to notice how easily people fall into trance once they start to follow my every word. Bishops journal is also very good so far, giving me perfect examples on how to use this language. I feel like the bishops journal is what's going to really change things.

''I wonder if you can experience what it's like to let go and feel relaxed and comfortable as you listen to my voice and the more you fall into trance the more comfortable you'll feel''. (Am I doing it right?)

and i dunno if trance-formations and richard bandlers guide to trance-formation are any different but i guess an example of destroying resistance would be to fire a rapport anchor.

My next question is how deep into trance does the woman have to be to be able to accept the linkage phrase ''now with me'' without feeling creeped out? I know the issue of ''getting cought'' has been discussed numerous times in the past and ross swears that you would never get caught. ''Fucking try and get caught'' ''Trust me, they dont get it'' is what ross says lol
Author:  Spierkat [ Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need help with learning language patterns.
“Fucking try and get caught”, that’s what you should do.

I used to run patterns on girls all the time before I knew anything about Speed Seduction. Girls liked me after having conversations with them and I never knew why, it’s only now that I know I took them through processes of love, comfort, connections etc. which made them want me.

A girl once liked me, she gave me a lot of hints but I never made a move. I just stood there and told her that I don’t want any serious relationships now…. And then suddenly she said: “You never know who you will start to like, maybe feelings will develop later for someone you never had feelings for”.
I, later, unaware of what she did, began to develop feelings for her. She was totally unconscious of the post hypnotic suggestion, which means only if you are aware of the techniques used in Conversational hypnosis\Speed seduction can you start to notice if you are being manipulated. However, you must change your perception….you are not manipulating anyone. You are providing her a gift of good feelings, a wave of positive flooding emotions.

“Now with me” example(rough example):
ME: (Notice girl feeling down – don’t ask what the problem is) - “What do you normally do to relax?”
Girl: “Watch movies”
ME: (Describe how you feel when you’re watching movies) – “I like comedies, when watching movies you just begin to relax more and enjoy every single moment of it, it’s like your whole world is right in front of you, feeling comfortable now with me that’s a wonderful feeling to have.(use anchoring where appropriate, voice tonality etc…)
A girl doesn’t have to be deep in trance, you just have to know how to use it.

''I wonder if you can experience what it's like to let go and feel relaxed and comfortable as you listen to my voice and the more you fall into trance the more comfortable you'll feel''. (Am I doing it right?) – This is a great example; you also might want to pace the breathing rate of the subject. I would not personally use this specific example for seduction, but you have an excellent idea on flow of language.

Destroying resistance can be done using negation patterns, telling stories, future pacing etc.

Read this thread: http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php? ... LP-Journal

Watch videos of Derren Brown and notice how he uses conversational hypnosis. The Heist is an excellent example of how he uses embedded commands and other conversational hypnosis tools to program the subjects.
Author:  gameover0000 [ Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Need help with learning language patterns.
I can't thank you enough man, your advice has seriously uplifted my game to a next level. I havent gotten to the point where i'd say im very smooth with using the language patterns but I'm definetly getting better, I noticed myself using a pattern without realizing it the other day and it was kinda scary lol. Also, another thing i'd like to know is, how powerful is this exactly in comparison to other methods of seduction?
Author:  Spierkat [ Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need help with learning language patterns.
I've read about the other methods but have not really tried it. I went a bit deep into the Mystery Method and I believe it basically has principles of conversational hypnosis. A neg on a beautiful girl is the same as a pattern interrupt, because you are interrupting her thought pattern. You have storytelling, push-pull which i think is the same as fractionation and you have routines(patterns) etc..., which absorbs attention, bypasses the critical factor, changes the state of the girl, augment and intensify the state, and the state is link to the seducer on a subconcious level. This is the ABSAIL formula in conversational hypnosis.

The part I hate about the Mystery Method is DHV where you brag/show off(not part of my personality). Guys can create their own routines within the different stages which is good, but most guys I know just memorize the routines.

SS\Conversational hypnosis teaches you the deeper structures of communication which means you have a profound understanding on how to socialise\interact with people.
Please do watch bootcamps of where Mystery teaches and notice how he uses different tools of conversational hypnosis on a subconscious level. It's all in the Language

I have found this forum to be the best for inner game. Read, experiment and notice how you change your view on life - Reframing in Action.

Inner game: http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php? ... t-who-s-in
Author:  NLPPUA [ Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Need help with learning language patterns.
Don't worry about patterns. Focus on slipping bits of hypnotic language in to your normal speech so it comes naturally. Certainly forget about trying to memorize long patterns because some Speed Seduction pattern are like 2 pages long. Spend your time learning a few NLP/SS techniques and polish them until you can use them without effort.
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