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Author:  ClassicWiseguy [ Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  The Sympathetic Manipulation
This is not something I have never done but have just recently heard of it being done to a female friend of mine.

She was out to lunch with a self taught PUA who I wouldn't doubt he has his game a bit mixed, which is why he ends up with either young Nieve or older drug abusing women.

He does not know her on a personal level and just out of the blue starts pouring himself out to her telling her that hes depressed, contemplated suicide in the past and pretty much got her all "worried, concerned and feeling bad for him."

This is a guy who has told me before he manipulates women.

Now of course me and a fellow friend saw what he was doing and managing to trick her, so we easily put a stop to it, before he got her more emotionally invested in his "sob story".

I feel like that is an odd, ineffective and weak approach but I guess when you find a bleeding heart it may work.

Have any of you guys heard of this?
To me it sounds confused and weak..but you never know what may work on certain women?
Author:  Cool_Face [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:55 am ]
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That is very interesting.
Have you studies hoe exactly he does this?
What techniques he uses?
Author:  ClassicWiseguy [ Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:27 pm ]
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Well, like I said hes seems to be self taught meaning he might not even realize it himself.

Teaching yourself these skills with no organization or guidance can leave you a bit mixed up, but not completely lost.

As far as I know, you do not tell a women a sad story about yourself without even knowing her that well.

It is possible he is trying to I would have to say negative emotions into her and getting her to feel sorry for him.

Almost like an "aww there there, I am here for you" kinda deal.

She did in fact fall for it, so I told her what he was doing and threw it off.

Now, he is known for manipulation and wrong doing, if it were not for that maybe I would not have said anything at all.

When you are known for that, I am sorry but I will let a friend know when I believe there is something odd going on in a social situation.

I know it sounds like Over analyzing, but when it comes down to manipulative bad guys I have no choice but to make this girl more aware of the possibilities of what he might be doing.

Do not overreact, do not get mad, just be aware.
Author:  Cool_Face [ Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Sympathetic Manipulation
Hrmmm, that is very interesting. I do like the fact that your taking your time to analyze this person.

One possible reason girls to fall for the sob stories is that this guy is appealing to the girls maternal nature where they feel like they need to take care of this 'baby'.
Author:  Warmth [ Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:50 pm ]
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Being sad isn´t really unmanly. I can see why it would work: if you show emotions then you are appealing. If you´re sad, the girl will listen out of respect and pity: then you can sneak in dhvs.

I.e.
"Oh I am rich, but my victoria secret fashion model X dumped me when I was burying my mother. She just couldn´t handle it. I loved her really. I don´t know how I´m supposed to get on (reaches for the targets hand)"

Being sad is better than being a robot or fearing to show emotion like most guys do. Also you can show big emotions without being arrogant or boastful, which creates a nice emotional bond.

You just need to be careful to get friendzoned. But if you get her to start sharing to, then your fucking in. So I guess this would work well if the girl is a bit sad to
Author:  pumpington [ Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:43 pm ]
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why don't you just try it out and see how it works for you
Author:  Dr. Spargenator [ Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:31 am ]
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i dont see how this could work at all. i mean, maybe if the girl got emotionaly involved in the story and the guy had some sort of way of anchoring the pain to his absense then it could work. im thinking in terms of nlp here since thats where this was posted. but i think that this would most likely wierd the girl out. did he know the girl who he was doing this to? if not then no rapport means no comfort which means she will only be wierded out and will not get emotionally involved in the story. you have to use some common sense here.
Author:  slimjimm000 [ Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:15 pm ]
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maybe this guy isnt manipulating anyone he might really be sad and thinking those bad things you should go talk to him and see if he is ok.
Author:  ClassicWiseguy [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Sympathetic Manipulation
Hes bad, and that is what he was doing.

It dosent matter anyway, I told her what he was trying to do she listened and besides shes into me anyway :P

I believe I always had her from when we first started talking because she always showed me alot of IOI's but I was never interested, I am still not very interested but am interested in having some fun.

The Sympathetic Manipulation is a weak and compromising tactic and I do not recommend it, unless you already have some established rapport with the girl then it may help a little but there are many other forms and better you can do.
Author:  Warmth [ Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Sympathetic Manipulation
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i dont see how this could work at all. i mean, maybe if the girl got emotionaly involved in the story and the guy had some sort of way of anchoring the pain to his absense then it could work. im thinking in terms of nlp here since thats where this was posted. but i think that this would most likely wierd the girl out. did he know the girl who he was doing this to? if not then no rapport means no comfort which means she will only be wierded out and will not get emotionally involved in the story. you have to use some common sense here.
you rationalizing it to be impossible, yet it works for this and other guys. Where is the contradiction?

It´s like sales, you can skin a cat in a million ways.

Besides, if he isn´t wooing you then you can´t see it from the girls perspective. You see it from the "other guy"´s perspective. And in my experience, whenever I see some guy trying to seduce a woman, even if it´s working, I call it bullshit and say he´s gay or his method is retarded or something.
Author:  Dr. Spargenator [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Sympathetic Manipulation
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i dont see how this could work at all. i mean, maybe if the girl got emotionaly involved in the story and the guy had some sort of way of anchoring the pain to his absense then it could work. im thinking in terms of nlp here since thats where this was posted. but i think that this would most likely wierd the girl out. did he know the girl who he was doing this to? if not then no rapport means no comfort which means she will only be wierded out and will not get emotionally involved in the story. you have to use some common sense here.
you rationalizing it to be impossible, yet it works for this and other guys. Where is the contradiction?

It´s like sales, you can skin a cat in a million ways.

Besides, if he isn´t wooing you then you can´t see it from the girls perspective. You see it from the "other guy"´s perspective. And in my experience, whenever I see some guy trying to seduce a woman, even if it´s working, I call it bullshit and say he´s gay or his method is retarded or something.
well i could be wrong. for all i know there could be something to this that im just missing all together. but right now i just dont see how this method could realistically be effective. if someone came up to me and did that id be wierded out. i mean, i guess it could work if you did it on a wierd, overly emotional women. but other than that i just dont see it. its sure not employing any tactic that ive ever heard of.
Author:  Warmth [ Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The Sympathetic Manipulation
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i dont see how this could work at all. i mean, maybe if the girl got emotionaly involved in the story and the guy had some sort of way of anchoring the pain to his absense then it could work. im thinking in terms of nlp here since thats where this was posted. but i think that this would most likely wierd the girl out. did he know the girl who he was doing this to? if not then no rapport means no comfort which means she will only be wierded out and will not get emotionally involved in the story. you have to use some common sense here.
you rationalizing it to be impossible, yet it works for this and other guys. Where is the contradiction?

It´s like sales, you can skin a cat in a million ways.

Besides, if he isn´t wooing you then you can´t see it from the girls perspective. You see it from the "other guy"´s perspective. And in my experience, whenever I see some guy trying to seduce a woman, even if it´s working, I call it bullshit and say he´s gay or his method is retarded or something.
well i could be wrong. for all i know there could be something to this that im just missing all together. but right now i just dont see how this method could realistically be effective. if someone came up to me and did that id be wierded out. i mean, i guess it could work if you did it on a wierd, overly emotional women. but other than that i just dont see it. its sure not employing any tactic that ive ever heard of.
I thought most women were weird and overly emotional
Author:  Spark Plug [ Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:10 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Sympathetic Manipulation
Anyone here ever read Robert Greene's the Art of Seduction? It's a fantastic book and it was what took my game to the next level (before I could only successfully game 6's and 7's now it's 8's and 9's still working on the 10's though)

There's a section in the book that underlines every type of seducer there is in the world and every type of victim there is.

One of the victims listed is the Rescuer and while this girl may not be a Rescuer I can now after reading it understand how it would work on some girls. Here's a direct quote from the book summarising what it is to be a Rescuer.

"We are often drawn to people who seem vulnerable or weak—their sadness or depression can actually be quite seductive. There are people, however, who take this much further, who seem to be attracted only to people with problems. This may seem noble, but Rescuers usually have complicated motives: they often have sensitive natures and truly want to help. At the same time, solving people's problems gives them a kind of power they relish—it makes them feel superior and in control. It is also the perfect way to distract them from their own problems. You will recognize these types by their empathy—they listen well and try to get you to open up and talk. You will also notice they have histories of relationships with dependent and troubled people."

Just ask this girl about her past boyfriends and if they were weak, suicidal and/or depressed chances are that she is a Rescuer.
Author:  Spark Plug [ Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The Sympathetic Manipulation
^Dr. Spargenator you might want to read this it might give you some answers
Author:  ClassicWiseguy [ Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:29 pm ]
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Wow thanks Damien!

I bought that book the instant you mentioned it :)

I was always looking for just the book!
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