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Author:  somonyrue [ Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:  NLP, does it work?
I've been really interested in NLP for quite a while but when I checked the bakground around NLP it has few scientific basis. Also quite some NLP patterns has not worked better than placebo do, when scientific tests have been done. I really don't know whether NLP really work or not, though I've heard from some that NLP work wonders and others (derren brown for example) say that NLP doesn't work well at all but has some few techniques that do work.
For some this might seems like a stupid question but does it really work and also is their any scientific proof for that?
Author:  sfwqoruibv [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NLP, does it work?
I've also never heard of it before, and I was immediately very skeptical, so I looked it up on Wikipedia and Rationalwiki. Accordingly, there's no scientific basis behind it, which translates, for me, to "it doesn't work". There's still a placebo effect though. NLP can help you gain the confidence because you feel you act in a confident way and I can definitely see how confidence can help you get what you want. However, that way it's as good as any other technique which does nothing, but helps you gain confidence.
Author:  User13247 [ Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:07 pm ]
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It's similar to hypnosis. So I can't recommend it unless you want to be a magician or something.
Author:  Raiden2k2 [ Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: NLP, does it work?
Those statements on the site are actually very misleading. When they say there's no scientific evidence that supports NLP, what they're talking about are the Eye Accessing Cues and VAK Matching, the two things that are solely NLP. Otherwise, Milton Erickson's techniques were verified by the American Medical Association. His techniques are what classified hypnosis as an actual usable technique.

It's Meta-Programs, which are based on the work of Gregory Bateson and Virginia Satir, are now scientifically proven, that people's personal metaphors and the way they view their problem, through deletion, exaggeration, or personalization, can through Strategic talking, be altered in a single session. Neuro Mapping thanks to Functional MRI's have proven this scientifically.

The Swish Pattern has had several peered reviewed studies that has found a better than 50%, roughly 63% average of improvement when utilized.

Their fast phobia cure has been utilized with a better than 60% approval.

NLP isn't one thing. Anchoring, or, what one could call Pavlovian Conditioning, is again, another scientific fact. The fact is that if you say a word every time someone smiles, then, you say that word again, they'll smile. If you touch yourself everytime someone smile's, you'll create a connective feeling. Conditioning responses is a scientifically proven and accepted thing. Also part of NLP.

NLP is a synecdoche, the parts are greater than the whole.

Thus, it all depends what you want to do.
Author:  RitualSlave [ Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:19 am ]
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Thank you, Raiden and Tony! I've been a fan of NLP for four years now, and I only recently discovered this sort of "anti-NLP force."

If we could post some specific URL's and sources, I'd appreciate it (even though I believe you 100%).

P.S. Tony, your website wows me. It's incredibly professional.
Author:  cerebralassassin [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:57 pm ]
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the thing about nlp is this, people want proof 'i want some scientific study with numbers and statistics' when the simple question is did it work?

did your phobia go away? are you more confident? yes then it works..

just because some doctor didnt write a 10 million word thesis on it working with numbers and statistics doesnt mean it doesnt work.

there is a main reason i trust in nlp over conventional psychology, i care more about a solution then the cause, psychology gets you to look into the problem and then when you know the cause and the problem miraculously disappears, which sounds nice but it doesnt work, plenty of people know why they are screwed up and are still screwed up. in pua land its usually you were teased or bullied or turned down badly by a girl youll know this but it doesnt change it. as if an epiphany about your past cures it but it means that youll dig up the past and it will make you feel worse.

now if i said i can take that feeling and make it go away by going back in your mind and making fun of that person that made you feel bad by making dance like a clown and giving them a dumbo nose is and giving them a voice like minnie mouse then the feeling subsides, their actions then no longer resinates with you, then work on the other things like confidence or conversation and escalation
Author:  RitualSlave [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:50 am ]
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Quote:
the thing about nlp is this, people want proof 'i want some scientific study with numbers and statistics' when the simple question is did it work?

did your phobia go away? are you more confident? yes then it works..

just because some doctor didnt write a 10 million word thesis on it working with numbers and statistics doesnt mean it doesnt work.

there is a main reason i trust in nlp over conventional psychology, i care more about a solution then the cause, psychology gets you to look into the problem and then when you know the cause and the problem miraculously disappears, which sounds nice but it doesnt work, plenty of people know why they are screwed up and are still screwed up. in pua land its usually you were teased or bullied or turned down badly by a girl youll know this but it doesnt change it. as if an epiphany about your past cures it but it means that youll dig up the past and it will make you feel worse.

now if i said i can take that feeling and make it go away by going back in your mind and making fun of that person that made you feel bad by making dance like a clown and giving them a dumbo nose is and giving them a voice like minnie mouse then the feeling subsides, their actions then no longer resinates with you, then work on the other things like confidence or conversation and escalation
Your response vibes with me on the deepest level possible. I appreciate your contribution to this topic, because it makes me feel more aligned and "sane" about NLP kicking ass and taking names--which it DEFINITELY does.

Results, results, results, man.
Author:  loganhill365 [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:56 am ]
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My friend.....NLP really works...Many people have learned NLP and experienced much change in them. To see if it really works then you need to have patience. As this is not a ready made thing. But once you start it you will feel much better you will see difference in your behavior slowly. you can do NLP practitioner courses to see changes in you.
Author:  MavenPhaseshift [ Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NLP, does it work?
Yes Nlp works, when you use all of communication.
That means using body and tone. Most people when they start with nlp focus on the words. It was created to improve communication.

If your just learning the patterns out of a book and not actually using the using full communication to talk to people you are really handicapping you yourself.

I have seen people that are congruent all the way through with the body language and the tone they say it at they get amazing results.

Don't focus on the words just use theories behind it. How to put it together and how you're going to say it.
Author:  User13247 [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NLP, does it work?
Quote:
the thing about nlp is this, people want proof 'i want some scientific study with numbers and statistics' when the simple question is did it work?

did your phobia go away? are you more confident? yes then it works..

just because some doctor didnt write a 10 million word thesis on it working with numbers and statistics doesnt mean it doesnt work.

there is a main reason i trust in nlp over conventional psychology, i care more about a solution then the cause, psychology gets you to look into the problem and then when you know the cause and the problem miraculously disappears, which sounds nice but it doesnt work, plenty of people know why they are screwed up and are still screwed up. in pua land its usually you were teased or bullied or turned down badly by a girl youll know this but it doesnt change it. as if an epiphany about your past cures it but it means that youll dig up the past and it will make you feel worse.

now if i said i can take that feeling and make it go away by going back in your mind and making fun of that person that made you feel bad by making dance like a clown and giving them a dumbo nose is and giving them a voice like minnie mouse then the feeling subsides, their actions then no longer resinates with you, then work on the other things like confidence or conversation and escalation
So much...
Ignorance...

Try to...
Resist...

*dies*
Author:  cerebralassassin [ Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NLP, does it work?
everyone is entitled to an opinion, some may call my belief in NLP ignorance but its from experience, 10 years ago i had a bad breakup (she cheated, was pregnant, had an abortion and taunted me with this) and was sent to a counsellor due to depression i knew exactly why i was depressed i went to see a counsellor 3 times a week and guess what i was just as depressed walking out of the counsellors as i was walking in.
the problem is a counsellor is not allowed to offer an opinion or give advice on how to resolve the issue, all she did was listen and that was it. if she said to me you can take you can get better by doing this,this and this i would have been happier instead i spent another 2 years miserable.

heres a quick technique to mentally change the picture you have of a girl, this is to be used for the girl who cheated on you:


take the image that you have of this girl in your head (ill guess that its pristine and perfect)
now distort it stretch it out squash it, give her spock ears and a mohawk dye her hair orange, make her look ridiculous then imagine her talking to you when she was berating you or telling you about sex with another guy now change her voice to make her sound like darth vader or barack obama then imagine her arguing just in that voice.
And finally imagine the feel of her skin the feeling the touch of her skin feels good eh, now imagine she has the skin of a 90 year old and as you kiss her now her lips are covered in cold sores, or even worse you still go through the 2 of you having sex in your mind, now go through how good it is then replay it only this time she has genital warts and herpes...

keep repeating this until you feel better about thinking about her

what this will do is change your patterns of thinking about her

the point of this is to be so physically repulsed by the girl that youll be glad you got out of the relationship, and its to alter your perception of her, its meant to be done in a fun way and make you feel better, which is the wanted end result,
Author:  Silver007A [ Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: NLP, does it work?
I've used NLP and hypnosis professionally for over 10 years. I cured people of life challenging phobias in 30 minutes after they had been seeing psychologists and other medical professionals for 5 years in some cases. I've managed to eradicate depression in people, bulimia confidence issues and a whole host of other psychosis.

In fact, I am helping my personal trainer with some marketing at the moment and yesterday he started to explain he suffers from bad anxiety attacks. He had tried conventional options for years and was now seeing a hypnotist. I had him close his eyes and showed him the submodalities of his anxiety and how to change the steps that lead to his anxiety for better ones. The next day he facebooked me to say that something had changed and although he couldn't believe it he wasn't able to get anxious even if he tried.

I've also used the techniques in game and they work amazingly well. However, the best reason to learn NLP is to elicit the 6 steps that lead to any state or emotional response in a person. When you know how to do that you can ask a girl her 6 steps to orgasm or feelings of ecstasy or love and then have her reproduce them by talking her through it or even just waving your hand in the same direction and have her go into states of orgasmic/ecstatic/loving pleasure at your command.

There are too many people benefiting from NLP and hypnosis for it not to work. Also organisations like the London Stock Exchange (I think it's them from memory) make it a compulsory requirement to have a qualification in NLP to work for them.

Hope that helps make it seem like worth learning even if you don't want to use it to cure phobias and the like :-)
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