a) I might be.
b) You may be right. I don't know, still inexperienced with NLP, I hope someone else is gonna comment too, I'm curious about different opinions
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| Author: | In$tinct [ Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:58 pm ] |
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After reading and experiencing a little with NLP I created this pattern and I'm pretty sure that it needs some review before I start using it... The important stuff is underlined: *After building sufficient rapport...* -I want to share you something, but you must be open and adventurous in order for this to work. I will ask a question and then after you answer I will make you feel wonderful. -Okay... -Tell me what was your most exciting sexual experience! -.... -You should now start recalling this memory and visualizing it...Perceiving it just as it was. As you think back now, you may notice how this memory is coming to life and affecting your current state of mind. You could even close your eyes and dip deep in the sea of feelings that are filling your entire body right now. The picture you see, the sounds you hear, the feelings you feel are becoming more and more intense and clear. And you begin to realise that these feelings are in the present and they are making your body hot. This is happening RIGHT NOW and you feel those feelings, see those pictures and hear those voices at this moment. And when you look back to this memory tomorrow, YOUR MINE will remember how you've felt today WITH ME I suspect this would make her horny and it would also link her greatest sexual experience with me before we've even had sex so it should also make her want it even more. However I can also see how this pattern can backfire: -She might be able to see through it, or she may not want to share this experience with me(not enough rapport, and in this case this will probably break it too). -It could set up very high(if not impossible to reach) sexual expectations for her, possibly not even only for me, but with other guys too. Which can lead to very bad things... -It is probably unnecessary too since if I'm talking with a girl about her greatest sexual experiences I should be well on the track of laying her anyway. But hey... I've said it that I've just started experiencing with NLP, so I'm rather interested in the flows of the pattern than the ethical problems with it. I'm in no way going to use this pattern until the point I'm completely sure about the fact that it won't do anything bad anyway... |
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| Author: | TheSeagull [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:01 am ] |
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it seems like it could potentially backfire on you.. (a) her best sex might have been very good - are you gonna be able to surpass that? (b) it will definitely trigger thoughts of somebody else in her mind (you say you have not fucked her yet when using this.. so she will definitely visualize another dude). is she willing to replace the dude with you in her mind? before you gave her a bunch of mind-blowing orgasms? most probably not. |
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| Author: | In$tinct [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:09 am ] |
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a) I might be. b) You may be right. I don't know, still inexperienced with NLP, I hope someone else is gonna comment too, I'm curious about different opinions
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| Author: | In$tinct [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:05 am ] |
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Thank you TonyKing. My only questions yet are what should I put instead of "this memory" to make it effective but not make it break the rapport? Or if I use just "this memory", How do I make sure that I avoid the problems seagull pointed out?(another dude in her memory with a strong association for good sex) |
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| Author: | In$tinct [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:56 am ] |
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I think I get what you are saying. Say like this: Close your eyes and imagine yourself, lying on the bed in a dim room. As you look carefully at every single point of it, and you feel the tender of the bed on your skin, and hear the slight noises of the outside, the picture is becoming more and more clear. You can suddenly see an uncertain figure approaching you. At first it is very foggy and hard to recognize but as it is coming closer and closer to you, you begin to have a feeling of familiarity and safeness. Now allow yourself to concentrate on the feelings that are filling your body. As you sink deeper and deeper and submerge in these feelings you understand that this is happening right now. Allow yourself to notice how these emotions are becoming less and less imaginary and more and more real. As your feelings become more and more intense the figure is now becoming even more clear and he is now inviting you, holding your hand *hold her hand*, speaking to you with a very calm and exciting tone giving you a feeling of safety and arousal. Allow yourself to notice how they(I) make you feel vibrant, wanted, and complete, right now. Damn even I got aroused just from typing it Any thoughts?
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| Author: | In$tinct [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:48 pm ] |
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Thanks TonyKing. You are being really helpful for me to understand these things better. You can point out any minor flaw you spot because I'm not a person that takes critique as an offense, especially when it is clear that you're more experienced and it is on a subject that I'm trying to learn, which will, without a doubt, need all kinds of correction from myself and from others too during the process. I like the "feel a misterious presence" thing. As you could have guessed, all I was trying to do is somehow put myself in the picture but first I don't want to make it clear that it is me, I want her to come to the realisation as she goes deeper within her feelings that it is me in the end who is giving her these feelings what she wants. Quote: See these emotions become more vivid for every breath that you take. Allow yourself to become one with them as if they are happening right now |
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| Author: | In$tinct [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:13 pm ] |
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I have a little personal experience about this and I don't know how relevant it is to this particular situation. What is going on here, is that I anchor positive feelings to a mysterious entity, and make her realise that it has been me all the time. I remember that I really liked a song, but I didn't actually know why because all other songs of the artist just bored me to hell. It was later that I realised that it was the song we first kissed with my girlfriend of that time. After coming to this realisation it somehow added additional strength to the anchor. So what happened is that my unconcious mind linked the song together with the good emotions I felt at that moment and when I later realised it those emotionse became more intense. And I think that something similar should be happenning here. If I make the impression of a mysterious man while I'm communicating with her in a deep rapport, her unconcious mind should associate that misterious entity with me from the beginning. And as the realisation comes it should reinforce those feelings, making the anchor stronger. But currently this is just speculation as you've said we'd really need more experienced review on this. |
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| Author: | alanwak3 [ Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:46 am ] |
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-Tell me what was your most exciting sexual experience! This could raise resistance, which I try to avoid. I feel you could get a comparable result if you used something along the lines of "Has there ever been a time, where it was almost as if you feel really excited?" where on the logical level you could be discussing anything, but on an intuition level you're discussing sex. You could even close your eyes This is really good, love the use of the weasel word\lingusitic frame "You could even." I suggest you look up something called pacing and leading, your pattern is using a lot of direct suggestion, and a healthy dose of pacing could help soften them up for it. Quote:
-She might be able to see through it, or she may not want to share this experience with me(not enough rapport, and in this case this will probably break it too).
I prefer to make my patterns very conversational, the "classic" nlp\hypnotism patterns are usually craftily disguised as conversation, like discussing a tomato plant or a tv show, and even though they speak directly to the unconscious mind, on the logical level you're addressing something perfectly casual.Not to say what you wrote is incorrect, there are girls that really love to be directly guided through experiences, but it will depend on the girl, the rapport, and your own personal style. |
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| Author: | clearspeak [ Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:55 am ] |
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Instead of telling someone what to imagine, ask them what they imagine in safe ways. And you also can give choices. "Do you see it X way or Y way?" Both are useful and asking the question is an instruction to go in and see it more clearly - which is the whole point of NLP. You're instructing someone without instructing them. You don't give orders, you ask questions and make requests that imply an action that has to be taken. |
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| Author: | In$tinct [ Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:46 am ] |
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Thanks guys. Yeah, I know about pacing and leading, I just never really understood the concept and method of it until now. Quote: Do you see it X way or Y way? I think I'm going to practise these skills with some completely innocent patterns(like just cheering someone up by recalling and giving life to a good memory) and see how I'm doing. |
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| Author: | clearspeak [ Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:44 am ] |
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Quote: Thanks guys. Yeah, I know about pacing and leading, I just never really understood the concept and method of it until now.
Just like they do in many elections right? hahah.
Quote: Do you see it X way or Y way? |
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| Author: | jacob600 [ Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:45 pm ] |
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Your initial pattern is still worth using/modifying. Just highlight your embedded commands and THINK ABOUT THAT for a moment. While it is true, she may think of the other guy at first, you lead by just telling her to FOCUS IN on the emotions/feelings and not the individuals. From there, you dig deeper, amplifying it just by getting more descriptive. Anchor somewhere right about now. Either way,the more she has these emotions in your presence, the more she will attach them to being with you. "This memory" verbiage is fine. This a common, albeit obvious technique. You can be more covert about this or just plow through. For now, plow through and don't give a sh--. Your tonality should help you ride her curiosity. The part being being "open and adventurous" can definitely work. It just depends on the girl's personality and the rapport. I am iffy on it because it raises her antenna, which may or may not be a good thing. I can just see using this line and looking all amped up. I'm more casual about the entire thing. Just massage a bit if you like. Tony King has great input but I always leave binder commands in. i don't think they are always necessary, just like anything in NLP but they DEFINITELY help. I could add more input but this thread is kidna old. |
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